He is an awesome person and fine actor is Boots, but I don't think Scorsese is in the deep state anti-union dept just because he's not Ken Loach.
― calzino, Friday, 27 December 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
lol
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 December 2019 16:14 (four years ago) link
I mean it's fairly obvious that wasn't Scorsese's angle with the film, and I don't agree with every one of Boot's takes either, but a large chunk of "unions = bad" sentiment is based on poor received knowledge in this country. either that Unions "make money off of their members and do little to protect them", or "they're all Mafia infested" and the positive benefits get largely shoved to the backburner.
I don't exactly think Scorsese had any actual obligation to have that discussion in his movie, because the film was shown purely through Sheeran's lens, and his side of things has already come into hefty dispute. but it's an interesting concept Boots brings up about how it might color the perception of unions further in less discerning viewers.
idk...I'm just a big The Coup fan.
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 December 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
"Cos you know i'm uninsured in this biyatchMy medical plan was to not get shot"
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 December 2019 16:16 (four years ago) link
Boots Riley has a lot of silly takes on things, tbh
Also, Ken Loach har made some pretty anti-union films as well. Because he thought they at times were corrupt and didn't love up to expectations. And so forth.
― Frederik B, Friday, 27 December 2019 16:19 (four years ago) link
this take is the best take
"This is for my folkers who got bills overdueThis is for my folkers, um, check one twoThis is for my folkers who never lived like a hogMe and you, toe to toe, I got love for the underdogThis is for my folkers who got bills overdueThis is for my folkers, um, check one twoThis is for my folkers who never lived like a hogMe and you, toe to toe, I got love for the underdog
I raise this glass for the ones who die meaninglesslyAnd the newborns who get fed intravenouslySomebody's mom caught a job and a welfare fraud caseWhen she breathe she swear it feels like plastic wrap around her face
Lights turned off and its the third month the rent is lateThoughts of being homeless, crying till you hyperventilateDespair permeates the air then sets in your earThe kids play with that one toy they learned how to share
Coming home don't never seem to be a celebrationBills they piled up on the coffee table like they're decorationsBig ol' spoons of peanut butter, big ass glass of waterMakes the hunger subside, save the real food for your daughter
You feel like swingin haymakers at a moving truckYou feel like laughing so it seems like you don't give a fuckYou feel like getting so high you smoke a whole damn cropYou feel like crying but you think that you might never stop
Homes with no heat stiffen your joints like arthritisIf this was fiction, it'd be easier to write thisSome folks try to front like they so above youThey'd tear this motherfucker up if they really loved you
There's certain tricks of the trade to try and halt your defeatLike taking tupperware to an "all you can eat"Returning used shit for new saying you lost your receiptAnd writing four figure checks when your accounts deplete
Then all your problems pile up about a mile upThinkin about a partner you can dial up to help you out this foul stuffWhole family sleepin on a futon while you're clippin couponsEatin salad tryin to get full off the croutons
'Crosstown, the situation is identicalSomebody's getting strangled by the system and its tentaclesMisconceptions raise questions to be solvedAlot of b-boys are broke, alot of homeless got jobs
You can make 8 bones an hour till you pass out and still be assed outMost pyramid schemes don't let you cash outThey say this generation made the harmony breakBut crime rise consistent with the povery rate
You take the workers and jobs, you gon have murders and mobsA gang of preachers screamin sermons over murmurs and sobsSayin "Pray for a change from the Lord above you"They'd tear this motherfucker up if they really loved you
You like this song cause it's relatable, it's you in this rhymeWe go to stores that only let us in two at a timeWe live in places where it costs to get your check cashedArguments about money usually drown out the tec blasts
Work six days a week, can't sleep Saturdays thoughMuscles tremblin like a pager when the battery's lowAnd you just don't know where the years wentAlthough every long shift feels like a year spent
And you can write your resume, but it wouldn't even mentionAll the life lessons learned doing six years of detentionOr how you learned the police was just some handicappersOn the ground next to broken glass and candy wrappers
Now don't accept my collects on the phoneJust hit me at the house so I know I ain't aloneAnd we can chop it up about this messed up systemHomies that's been killed, how we always gonna miss them
It's almost impossible survivin on this fractionSip a 40 to the brain for the chemical reactionYou gotta hustle cause they're tryin to push and shove youI'll tear this motherfucker up since I really love you"
--Underdogs, The Coup (aka Boots Riley)
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 December 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link
tl;dr
― Frederik B, Friday, 27 December 2019 16:30 (four years ago) link
I would have thought nothing was too long for the smartest guy on the board
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 December 2019 16:31 (four years ago) link
xp
being critical of unions and anti-union are two different positions Fred. I've been scathing of Unite in the past myself because they did fuck all to help a colleague of mine who got laid off for having the temerity to join one. But that doesn't make me anti-union.
Probably safe to say at this point that Scorsese obv has a fascination with murderous crims and the all wealth/glamour/mythology of organised crime.
― calzino, Friday, 27 December 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link
Rank and File is pretty anti-union, though.
― Frederik B, Friday, 27 December 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
yeah that was made when unions still had sway in the UK. He probably wouldn't be so harsh now they've decimated to next to nothing!
― calzino, Friday, 27 December 2019 16:46 (four years ago) link
Oh sure, Sorry We Missed You is steeped in union nostalgia.
― Frederik B, Friday, 27 December 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
Reading back on it, I was trying to agree with you. Even Ken Loach has made anti-union films, and still he isn't an anti-union person. Although he might be more anti-union than Scorsese? More revolutionary by nature. Although he has really kept it hidden quite well since, like, 1990.
― Frederik B, Friday, 27 December 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
five million ways to paint a ceo
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 27 December 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link
Lol
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 December 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link
I got in a car accident to that song once (not at fault)
are you by any chance a CEO
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 27 December 2019 17:10 (four years ago) link
This was a comment posted by a daft friend of mine to me about The Irishman. Probably the most inept and useless one line review ever!
"Finished. Enjoyed the ugliness and the bad clothes but felt like goodfellas meets ken loach. Waste of my time."
― calzino, Friday, 27 December 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link
Providing multi-year employment to hundreds of union workers to make an anti-union film. Oh, the irony.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 27 December 2019 17:14 (four years ago) link
I disagree with his take that this movie is anti-union. I thought the Teamsters' pension fund was the precious resource that was being contested and Hoffa's obstinance to let the mob take more was his ultimate undoing. That the mob stole from this big pool of money by corrupting people with access doesn't make the union any more corrupt than a company that's being embezzled from, or a government agency that someone is selling classified documents from.
― beard papa, Friday, 27 December 2019 17:37 (four years ago) link
This was a comment posted by a daft friend of mine to me about The Irishman. Probably the most inept and useless one line review ever!"Finished. Enjoyed the ugliness and the bad clothes but felt like goodfellas meets ken loach. Waste of my time."
― hot nuts (small) (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 December 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link
reading a stance on "unions" from this movie is as silly to me as imagining psycho has a stance on secretaries stealing from real estate offices
― warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Friday, 27 December 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
The Irishman is anti union - in particular the Screen Actors Guild. The film uses technology to avoid multi-casting roles over 50 years, costing actors jobs.— “Brian” (@BrianJWooster) December 27, 2019
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 27 December 2019 18:32 (four years ago) link
OEO otm
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 December 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
cosign
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 December 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link
Second viewing, again at MoMA… if anything liked a bit more. Pacino's accent is good enough. The complaints about "de Niro moved like an oldster" are mostly gtfo.
Also an actor I used to do improv jams with in a rehearsal studio 30 years ago is credited as Hoffa Rally Teamster #1 … missed him though.
Quintessential MoMA filmgoer exiting: "Who was the Irishman?"
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 00:12 (four years ago) link
we are all the irishman
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 02:29 (four years ago) link
.
― Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 02:32 (four years ago) link
The complaints about "de Niro moved like an oldster" are mostly gtfo.
Mostly it's fine but the hand stamping bit was terrible.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 03:09 (four years ago) link
didn’t understand why they could have deep faked some stunt double to do that scene. it’s the first thing people mention when the film comes up.
― beard papa, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 03:23 (four years ago) link
Super impose DeNiro's head on Conor McGregor
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 03:39 (four years ago) link
Oh my god I have almost an hour left in this thing.
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 04:13 (four years ago) link
What she said
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 04:14 (four years ago) link
He’s dead and there’s still almost 45 minutes in the movie.
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 04:25 (four years ago) link
the last 45 minutes are what it’s about
honestly i loved how long this was, feature not a flaw. it’s a life, a mess of incident
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 04:29 (four years ago) link
Ill probably do a straight through run tomorrow. Overdue for second watch.
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 04:29 (four years ago) link
I’m reserving judgment but jeez louise
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 04:31 (four years ago) link
It's what it is
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 04:34 (four years ago) link
its lead actors are, on average, older than the old people in “Cocoon,” a movie in which you definitely didn’t see Wilford Brimley curb-stomp anyone.
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 04:45 (four years ago) link
Well, nice of De Niro to show up for the end of the movie
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 04:56 (four years ago) link
Anyway this was worth it for the extended silliness about the fish in the car.
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 04:57 (four years ago) link
heart of the film
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 05:55 (four years ago) link
The last half hour = Ozu with shag rugs
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 06:06 (four years ago) link
For all my love of crime films across various subgenres this movie made me really loathe actual mobsters.
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 06:13 (four years ago) link
i liked this much more than I expected to. CGI not very distracting.
― akm, Sunday, 5 January 2020 18:23 (four years ago) link
this was worth it for the extended silliness about the fish in the car.
We've established that Hoffa is the fish.
Can't believe I failed to recognize celebrated NYC idiot Bo Dietl the first time.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 5 January 2020 19:19 (four years ago) link
"I dunno, A FISH"
― Lactose Shaolin Wanker (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 5 January 2020 19:23 (four years ago) link
― hot nuts (small) (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 5 January 2020 20:04 (four years ago) link
Ozu is just about the only music cue he doesn't use
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 5 January 2020 20:09 (four years ago) link
Watched it again for the second time early this morning (was up, found myself watching it on volume using headphones, which I actually kinda recommend). Having first seen it in the theater I was surprised in a good way that I felt I only had to take a brief break once, it flows steadily and effortlessly. Thing that stood out for me, and again, headphone listening may have helped, was the silence that predominated. Not emptiness, but the lack of music and dialogue at many key points, not to mention how relentlessly nonflashy the sounds of violence were. Gunshots pop rather than explode, the actual explosions always seemed understated.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 January 2020 23:05 (four years ago) link