'Tis the Season = M.R. James

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i liked the dark pokeyness of the inn but not so much the windowed smallness of the court (which i guess i imagined wd be more rumpole-esque)

there's some nice annotative details here at rosemary pardoe's pleasingly nerdy james fansite: including a note on the misspelling legal claim which ledge mentions, pointing out that this is almost certainly a reference to a similar occurrence and claim in the 1660 trial of the regicide henry marten/martin (which claim failed, tho marten was not in fact executed, partly thanks to his courageous and able self-defence)

MRJ's curious little legal history in-joke here is one of several things that make me think something is going on in his mind during this story which is not set out clearly: viz the date of the martin's close trial and martin's execution (via clues in the text) = late 1684, towards the very end of charles ii's reign (viz its 36th year, as measured from the death of charles i -- i.e. excluding the cromwellian interregnum). charles ii's successor, his brother james ii, acceded to the thone in feb 1685. the monmouth rebellion against james took place in the west country (= very much round where this story is set) this same summer, followed by the bloody assizes that made judge jeffrey's reputation, the grim consequence of this rebellion's defeat.

(the titus oates trial mentioned above -- actually a retrial -- also took place in earlyish 1685…)

all this (IMO) is mood music is MRJ's head during this story -- as jeffreys' backstory -- but very little of it is mentioned clearly and so i don't really know what to make of it all lol

mark s, Friday, 27 December 2019 14:39 (four years ago) link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000cn0h

Ghost Stories From Ambridge: Lost Hearts

On a biting December night, Jim Lloyd enthrals Ambridge residents with the story of a young boy who arrives at the house of his generous benefactor to find all is not as it seems.

koogs, Tuesday, 31 December 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

https://unbound.com/books/casting-the-runes/

Crowdfunding for a book of his letters

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link

weird that this hasn't been done already

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:10 (three years ago) link

Yeah, some editions of his books have several letters included but it is weird there was never a dedicated book.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:31 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

I've had the Collected for years but never read it. Reading a story a night and thoroughly enjoying myself. I've just finished the Ash Tree, which creeped the shit out of me. I'm also following along with the Freaky Trigger marginalia and thoroughly enjoying these, too. Hat-tip to Mark.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link

eight months pass...

Stalls of Barchester on bbc4 tonight, 22:15 and which, according to iplayer, hasn't been broadcast since Christmas eve 1971, but i don't know how accurate that is.

(opposite it on ch5 is a ghost story about an antique book dealer...)

koogs, Sunday, 31 October 2021 19:19 (two years ago) link

Mark V pitches in:

Thirty years ago this year, Rosemary Pardoe published The James Gang – A Bibliography of Writers in the M.R. James Tradition (1991). This provided a checklist of books and stories following in the antiquarian ghost story form perfected by James, as well as those (not necessarily in that style) by his circle of friends. Hugh Lamb, who had drawn up a “James List” for his own use in 1973, provided an introduction.

This soon became an invaluable reference source for any enthusiast repining that James’ stories are all very well, but there just aren’t enough of them. Rosemary has said she would like to see the list updated with similar work published since her list—but is not volunteering to do it! There would certainly be a lot more to list, not least because of Rosemary’s own work with the Ghosts & Scholars journals and anthologies.

The James Gang is organised alphabetically by author surname, but I thought it would also be interesting to arrange the main items (not all of them) chronologically, to get a sense of how the Jamesian story developed. I have here focused on books, or groups of stories, rather than individual stories, though these are included in the original booklet.
Here 'tis:
http://wormwoodiana.blogspot.com/2021/11/a-chronology-of-writers-in-m-r-james.html

dow, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:18 (two years ago) link

Seems like she should have found another title: Thee M.R. The Merrier?

dow, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:21 (two years ago) link

Bible Black and Starless? Geddit King James

dow, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:23 (two years ago) link

Stalls of Barchester on bbc4 tonight, 22:15 and which, according to iplayer, hasn't been broadcast since Christmas eve 1971, but i don't know how accurate that is.

(opposite it on ch5 is a ghost story about an antique book dealer...)

― koogs, Sunday, 31 October 2021 19:19 (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Def not accurate, I used to have it taped from a mid-2000s repeat.

"Spaghetti" Thompson (Pheeel), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:29 (two years ago) link

well i've bookmarked that list anyway, hope it's full of people who are good like MRJ not just boring cargo cult MRJ *cough*Susan Hill*cough*

yeah i swear i've watched Barchester on TV in the last few years

maybe these baps are legends (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:30 (two years ago) link

> (opposite it on ch5 is a ghost story about an antique book dealer...)

this was by Susan Hill...

koogs, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 18:08 (two years ago) link

i know that's what made me think of her

maybe these baps are legends (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 18:09 (two years ago) link

nb i have never nor will i ever read her work

maybe these baps are legends (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 18:09 (two years ago) link

I've taught The Woman in Black a few times. It's a bad book. The upsides are the film from 1988 and particularly the stage show, which is just terrific.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 18:13 (two years ago) link

A Warning to the Curious starring Peter Vaughan is on iPlayer now, proper East Anglian uncanny

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 09:56 (two years ago) link

That story is the subject of the best episode (or two) of ‎A Podcast to the Curious, going into detail on James' experience of WW1 and how it plays into the story. Though they gloss over the strangely mutable dig site (Paxton takes a train back from the dig, then later on they all walk to it from the hotel in half an hour or so.)

namaste darkness my old friend (ledge), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 10:23 (two years ago) link

the passage where paxton mentions the train is odder even than that really -- bcz he's clearly describing being shadowed on his walk back to the hotel! i wonder if what it means (but doesn't say at all clearly) is that he was aiming to catch a train first thing in the morning from seaburgh (since he now has the crown) but actually never does: instead he returns to the hotel and slumps there in despair

this allows the dig to be not far from the hotel on the outskirts of the town (of course coastal trains also had stops every two minutes in the 1900s)

mark s, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 14:47 (two years ago) link

Aye, you recall that too, friend mark.

dow, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 15:28 (two years ago) link

he's clearly describing being shadowed on his walk back to the hotel! i wonder if what it means (but doesn't say at all clearly) is that he was aiming to catch a train first thing in the morning from seaburgh (since he now has the crown) but actually never does: instead he returns to the hotel and slumps there in despair

i thought he was being shadowed on his walk from the dig to the station? i guess he does say 'take a train back' which is ambiguous, but he mentions getting into the carriage, if he then got too spooked and jumped out again he probably would have mentioned that too. i think in the podcast they say he got the train to hide the fact of where he was digging but there's nothing in the text to support that.

namaste darkness my old friend (ledge), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 15:34 (two years ago) link

this article shares my feeling that it's just a slip of james' mind, around which we are free to construct whatever spooky explanation we choose ("the sheer fear that Paxton experiences while being chased along the beautifully desolate beaches and forests forces the very logic of the topography to dissolve" suggests another article on the tv version):

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pardos/ArchivePleasing.html

namaste darkness my old friend (ledge), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 15:42 (two years ago) link

yes you're right i'd totally forgotten the bit abt the porter (possibly bcz it's a bit too like a similar passage in casting the runes)

the opening paragraph also strongly suggests that the burial mound is on the outskirts of the town (which is not very big even now)

mark s, Tuesday, 9 November 2021 16:01 (two years ago) link

Not sure the extent to which these were oral stories before they were published or whether that matters too much but I hadn't noticed and it's worth thinking about

it isn't even a Fraktion (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 November 2021 22:58 (two years ago) link

many of them were written to be read aloud iirc

Brad C., Tuesday, 9 November 2021 23:23 (two years ago) link

(funny that 'M R James' doesn't find this thread but 'MR James' does despite not being a match for title)

anyway, Lost Hearts on bbc4 tonight (and this has been recently repeated, assuming it's the same version with the creepy white children, but my recording missed the end)

koogs, Monday, 15 November 2021 14:37 (two years ago) link

I thought Warning to the Curious was great, and I don't think I'd seen it before

it isn't even a Fraktion (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 November 2021 14:42 (two years ago) link

haha yes i suspect my ineffective suggested explanations derive from reading the essay ledge links to several years ago and then forgetting i'd read it and simply internalising some of its rejected explanations

mark s, Monday, 15 November 2021 15:17 (two years ago) link

Oh I meant the 72 BBC film with Peter Vaughan, it's never been one of my favourites but they did good work with it

it isn't even a Fraktion (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 November 2021 19:07 (two years ago) link

watched it yesterday, and yes is good. as mark says, the mound in the story is clearly v much within walking distance of the town (and have indeed walked it myself p much).

also despite reading it many times had not noticed that paxton gets a train back to seaburgh after acquiring the crown and they walk there when putting it back.

definitely feels like a slip of the narrative rather than anything else.

Fizzles, Monday, 15 November 2021 20:13 (two years ago) link

I was pleased and unruffled by the way the film took liberties with the story, or at least I think it was taking liberties, been a while since I read the original. Maybe a bit unnecessary in the ending but the cinematography was gorgeous and spot on

it isn't even a Fraktion (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 November 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link

definitely liberties but i think they worked well enough like you say.

Fizzles, Monday, 15 November 2021 20:48 (two years ago) link

i prefer the story ending of him which is probably too grotesque to manage or desire to do on film.

Fizzles, Monday, 15 November 2021 20:49 (two years ago) link

You don't need to be told that he was dead. His tracks showed that he had run along the side of the battery, had turned sharp round the corner of it, and, small doubt of it, must have dashed straight irito the open arms of someone who was waiting there. His mouth was full of sand and stones, and his teeth and jaws were broken to bits. I only glanced once at his face.



and this sort of stuff is literary and excellent but again hard to do:

The notion of Paxton running after--after anything like this, and supposing it to be the friends he was looking for, was very dreadful to us. You can guess what we fancied: how the thing he was following might stop suddenly and turn round on him, and what sort of face it would show, half-seen at first in the mist--which all the while was getting thicker and thicker. And as I ran on wondering how the poor wretch could have been lured into mistaking that other thing for us, I remembered his saying, 'He has some power over your eyes.'

Fizzles, Monday, 15 November 2021 20:51 (two years ago) link

Can't visually improve on the master

it isn't even a Fraktion (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 November 2021 21:20 (two years ago) link

I did believe it hadn't been shown since the 70s tho cos the tape was not in good nick

it isn't even a Fraktion (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 November 2021 21:52 (two years ago) link

Anyhoo yeah Lost Hearts tonight which I'll no doubt watch later in the week and I don't love the liberties or the treatment so much

it isn't even a Fraktion (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 November 2021 21:54 (two years ago) link

I did believe it hadn't been shown since the 70s tho cos the tape was not in good nick


as you say the light and depiction of landscape wax A+

Fizzles, Monday, 15 November 2021 21:57 (two years ago) link

Not so keen on them changing Paxton to an older man, it removes the possibility of the WWI readings, with Paxton's elders and mentors unable to save him as James was unable to help those he mentored who went off to die in the war - or more sinisterly Paxton following those he believes to be his elders and mentors to his death. Sounds a bit crass condensed like that maybe but the podcast goes into more detail on James' wartime role and how it plays into those readings.

namaste darkness my old friend (ledge), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 10:10 (two years ago) link

incidentally my own reading of the story -- based on the chiming descriptions of ager and paxton (young very solitary men of obsessive tendency) -- is that the final terrible face he sees is his own

this isn't remotely canon lol -- and it occurs to me now (reading ledge's post but w/o checking the podcast) that it could certainly be elaborated, via earthworks-trenches and the wartime clash and sacrifice by the old of so many younger men on both sides, and the "martello tower" and the broken face with sand in it…

as for that mysterious train: "'The First World War had begun - imposed on the statesmen of Europe by railway timetables. It was an unexpected climax to the railway age" (A.J.P.Taylor)

ffs i have actual work to do this morning

mark s, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 10:54 (two years ago) link

I did believe it hadn't been shown since the 70s tho cos the tape was not in good nick

not helped by having a whacking great BBC ident in the upper left-hand corner of the picture

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 11:13 (two years ago) link

"Over on BBC Two, M.R. James’ The Mezzotint, adapted by Mark Gatiss, stars Rory Kinnear, Robert Bathurst, Frances Barber, John Hopkins, Emma Cunniliffe, and Nikesh Patel. This haunting tale, set in an old English college in 1922, it is guaranteed to bring some eerie fear to the audience."

(new years eve ish)

koogs, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 13:52 (two years ago) link

it is guaranteed to bring some eerie fear to the audience

great copywriting here

mark s, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 14:25 (two years ago) link

bbc christmas press release, bound to be a bit florid

also, xmas eve is the more traditional time for this. stop doing james wrong.

koogs, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 14:55 (two years ago) link

Gatiffs

huile about oeuf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link

moffe growing upon the scrapbook of a canon

mark s, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link

Further to the discussion of Jamesian authors some way above, I really enjoyed both collections of Women's Weird. Sometimes stretching fairly standard horror to fit 'weird fiction', perhaps, but they're great anthologies, and there are a few antiquarian spooks in there to get a James-like fix.

emil.y, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:36 (two years ago) link

Those look great. Might actually lose a fair bit of cash on that publisher in general, looks like they have loads of interesting stuff.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:41 (two years ago) link

those do look good, thanks for the link

Brad C., Wednesday, 24 November 2021 18:25 (two years ago) link


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