I Really Dislike Frank Sinatra: How alone am I?

late Sinatra (My Way etc) sounds grumpy af to my ears ... also the Live w Count Basie his crowd banter he sounds like he is moments away from telling audience to fuck off

but i agree w morbs, the meanness works w porter - cocky, even? - and his ballads have a lot of warmth

also the Live w Count Basie his crowd banter he sounds like he is moments away from telling audience to fuck off

but i agree w morbs, the meanness works w porter - cocky, even? - and his ballads have a lot of warmth

― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, December 22, 2019 11:50 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, complaining about Sinatra sounding too cocky is like complaining about Moon playing too many fills.

both are valid?

Have a soft spot for Frank as he was a big influence on me when I was developing my singing style.

Loved his version of Webb's "Didn't We"

Yeah, complaining about Sinatra sounding too cocky is like complaining about Moon playing too many fills.

― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Monday, December 23, 2019 12:03 PM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

both are valid?

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, December 23, 2019 12:11 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Both are inherent to their presentation and what made them great.

Have a soft spot for Frank as he was a big influence on me when I was developing my singing style.

Q: I Really Dislike Frank Sinatra: How alone am I?

A: exactly this alone, as you deserve to be:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/No_One_Cares_%28Frank_Sinatra_album_-_cover_art%29.jpg/220px-No_One_Cares_%28Frank_Sinatra_album_-_cover_art%29.jpg

well played

Heh.

Both are inherent to their presentation and what made them great.

That doesn't invalidate the criticism

i’m now imagining your singing style as a sinatra croon delivered at a king diamond pitch and if i’m wrong please don’t correct me because i think it might be the sound i’ve been looking for my whole life

― brought a kiss to the knife fight (bizarro gazzara), Monday, December 23, 2019 12:43 PM bookmarkflaglink

this heart of miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine
belongs to Amonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

*tips fedora, throws up insouciant devil horns*

Both are inherent to their presentation and what made them great.
That doesn't invalidate the criticism

This Metallica is too metallic. This hamburger tastes like beef. This weed got me stoned. Frank Sinatra was too cocky/took my dame. You go to Sinatra when you want cocky brio.

the ballad/"wrist-slitter" albums (as Frank called them) are 99% cocky brio-free tho, and also some of his best material.

I would argue that the manic-depressive contrast between those two approaches ("No One Cares" vs. "Come Fly With Me" for ex) is one of the keys to his greatness.

And Sinatra knew what he was doing, because he basically alternated releasing upbeat and downbeat albums for a number of years. If the new swingin' album wasn't your cup of tea you could just wait a few months for the next wrist-slitter to come out.

This Metallica is too metallic. This hamburger tastes like beef. This weed got me stoned. Frank Sinatra was too cocky/took my dame. You go to Sinatra when you want cocky brio.

horrible analogies lol

Just because some people (even MANY people!) like the very things one dislikes about something, doesn't invalidate their criticism. Hi, welcome to the world of subjectivity.

you could think that but you would be wrong

hi welcome to the world of ilx

Just because some people (even MANY people!) like the very things one dislikes about something, doesn't invalidate their criticism. Hi, welcome to the world of subjectivity.

So do you not like cocky music/vocalists at all? Cause if you don't, then my analogy is valid. If you do like cocky vocalists, let me know the vocalist you think is the optimal level of cocky. Thanks.

you kinda have to be cocky to be a good vocalist. it's the only way to evaporate all of the tension that prevents you from being a good singer in the first place

Lol why does this hinge on what I personally like?

i don't personally give a shit, just hear for the martinis

sit next to me, find out

Granny, I love you but . . .

Just because some people (even MANY people!) like the very things one dislikes about something, doesn't invalidate their criticism. Hi, welcome to the world of subjectivity.

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, December 23, 2019 5:30 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Lol why does this hinge on what I personally like?

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, December 23, 2019 8:56 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

still driving me insane to think about how many clearly rong posts have been made abt the legend frank sinatra

fwiw about 10 years ago i got super into 'songs for swingin' lovers' and its never let me down ... ace A++ album

yup -- it was a domino tournament album for years in my crew, well into 2003.

I was feeling this one the other night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll0wkmVBg_c

yes! love that album so much!

I was just about to link Angel Eyes... albeit this more fragile TV version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub8l94E9Q5A

I’m sure there must be some good takedowns of Frankie to be found in old newspapers with older critics going “this kid’s ok but he’s clearly no Caruso”.

https://i.imgur.com/x7zTWpT.jpg

Brilliant

Never cared for him much, until I heard his "Send In The Clowns"... now boosted by the end credits of Joker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOUrnUktTjU

It's an older meme, sir, but it checks out.

2xp

mike you gotta hear Only the Lonely

Probably my favourite musical artist, certainly if you exclude jazz and classical and maybe even if you don't.

I’m sure there must be some good takedowns of Frankie to be found in old newspapers with older critics going “this kid’s ok but he’s clearly no Caruso”.

I once a photo of Sinatra rehearsing in an old Life magazine (not sure of the date, but it was from when Sinatra first got big, so probably some time in the '40s) that's captioned with a comment about his "caterwauling that occasionally resembles a song".

my grandparents both sang opera and thought Frank was trash

Ok boomer

tbf, Frank's take on Aida didn't work, not least because he kept interjecting "Jack!" for emphasis after every third or fourth line.

I have been convinced by the sterling work on this thread and have decided I was wrong about Frank Sinatra all along and won't be listening to him again.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Astaire%2C_Fred_-_Never_Get_Rich.jpg
Can’t sing. Can’t act. Balding. Can dance a little. Can’t scat. Not a jazz singer.

Got volume 1 of the bio mentioned upthread out of the library. It’s great, albeit lurid in places.

Producer Stephen Lipson is interviewed on The Hustle podcast and at 1:21:12 tells an amazing story about going to see a latter days Sinatra gig where Frank is so out-of-it the the orchestra has to contort itself (play silent in the loud bits because Frank doesn't know where the mic is) before collapsing in the middle of "My Way" before staggering up again like an aged punch drunk boxer who can't stop.

https://thehustle.podbean.com/e/episode-401-stephen-lipson/

tbf, Frank's take on Aida didn't work, not least because he kept interjecting "Jack!" for emphasis after every third or fourth line.

You got to use that "jack" sparingly, otherwise it loses its power. Exhibit A:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IHiBewYetI

(Surprisingly, the riff in "Smoke on the Water" adapts naturally into horn charts straight out of the big band era.)

"some day you will pay the tab I know"

Gonna have to get one of those five album cd sets, you know, the cheapie ones.

I do see capitol LPs in the charity shops, low price. I do end up wondering 'is that one of the good ones, or?'

I scored a new sealed copy of Only The Lonely from a charity shop for 1 euro a couple of weeks back. I'm really into hearing it but my player isn't. So stopped halfway through. Bummer.Had distorted it before that.
I mean fuzz guitar on The World We Knew is one thing, distorting this classic is just blasphemy surely.

The first Capitol CD's (from 1987 and 1991) are cheap and easy way of getting those albums in decent quality. (The remasters issued in 1998/2001 are notoriously awful, some of the worst examples of "remastering" by a major label.)

Also, Sinatra was apparently a good sport about Piscopo's parody - I wasn't sure if he would be because sometimes he doesn't take a joke too well. Brad Garrett opened for him for a while and at the end of one good set, he told the audience, "thank you, and please stay for Mr. Sinatra." The next day, Sinatra's manager called him in and said "Frank wants to know what you meant by that." And Garrett was like "it was a joke! Of COURSE they're going to stay for Frank, they're here for him, not for me." The manager was like "oh yeah sure....Frank doesn't want you to say that anymore."