TLJ isn't great, but its healthy disinterest in the past -- by using totems from past movies -- was refreshing.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:41 (four years ago) link
what particularly upsets me is that a lot of the things that small contingent of shitheads complained about re: the last jedi are present in the empire strikes back
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:43 (four years ago) link
It's almost like Johnson did that on purpose!
― icy bike chain rain (zchyrs), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link
That is, made TLJ explicitly similar to ESB in terms of theme and structure. He managed to make a movie that was both forward looking and thematically consonant with the "saga" and people shat on it.
― icy bike chain rain (zchyrs), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link
yep!!!!
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link
I think ppl overstate the "forward looking" aspect but it's def a better movie than TFA
― Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:49 (four years ago) link
Fan culture is a disease. Anyway I'll keep away from this thread until I've actually seen the thing
― icy bike chain rain (zchyrs), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:49 (four years ago) link
lol the Slate comments wonder WHY WHY COULDN'T A FAN HAVE REVIEWED IT
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:52 (four years ago) link
I love fan logic. I review the Stones once and gave them a mixed review, and someone wrote in to say "I've seen the Stones live over 50 times, if they weren't always great, then why would I pay to see them so many times?"
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link
In the AV Club review:
(A franchise long haunted by the ghosts of the past, Star Wars now involves both dead characters played by living actors and living characters played by dead actors.)
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link
Was it absolutely necessary to dig up Mayhew and stuff him back into the Chewie costume?
― Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
I heard it's just some random stunt guy with Warwick Davis on his shoulders.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:20 (four years ago) link
I wonder if they'd have done this one the same way if McDiarmid had kicked it
― Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:46 (four years ago) link
ask the Ghosts of Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
exhuming someone to act as your Ultimate Baddie feels....different, somehow. But yeah you're probably right.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
someone post spoilers. I'm unlikely to see this for several years, but want to know what happens
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
you can search for "star wars spoilers reddit", that's how I found 'em. ppl might not like just having them on here already in case they click on the wrong thread and find out Kylo Ren gets force-crucified by the ghost of Mace Windu
― Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
*SPOILER* Rey is half-Gungan
― icy bike chain rain (zchyrs), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link
xp. thanks, I'm lazy
LOBOT becomes the new emperor, wild choice
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link
OK, re-resolving to leave this thread alone
The really sad is I read these idiotic invented spoilers, and I'm guessing they're also references to last season of GoT?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
Kylo Ren gets force-crucified by the ghost of Mace Windu
― Simon H., Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:43 AM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
put this vision on the big screen disney cowards
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:57 (four years ago) link
jedi instrumentality project when!!
― Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:58 (four years ago) link
As I said on the Grim Resignation thread I enjoyed this big, bloated finale. Felt the most like an old non-prequel Star Wars film to me out of the new three: weird races, weird places, silly names and epic Tolkein-y nonsense.I'm cool with Chewie, 3PO and the remaining old characters given stuff to do as well.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 18:01 (four years ago) link
sounds like there's plenty of palpy, which is good imo
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 18:02 (four years ago) link
I doubt I'll be watching this. Anyone cool die?
― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
Lots of Pallpy. Even more stuff that never gets explained which is hilarous.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:37 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
OBLIQUE BUT MAJOR SPOILER AHEAD
........
the spoilers i read indicate that a major character (originating in this sequel trilogy) does die
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 18:43 (four years ago) link
snoke dies again
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
poopy palpy
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
So weird that they brought the Emperor back as a teenaged, incessantly-rapping version of himself called Palpy T. Even weirder how well it works!
― Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link
WellllllMy name is Palpy T and I'm here to sayI'll drop a Solo in your pit like my name was Weequay
― Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:25 (four years ago) link
I'm gettin' Palpy-tations
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:26 (four years ago) link
the dead speak!
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
Guys, lest we ever forget the magical moment when the world learned that Emperor Palpatine's long-hidden first name is
SHEEV
― Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:30 (four years ago) link
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/C5Wx5vT1npI/hqdefault.jpg
― Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:32 (four years ago) link
Sheev Mike
― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:33 (four years ago) link
glad they finally worked an appearance from Darth Icky into the series given this was the last chance
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:36 (four years ago) link
You know Vader and Plagueis and OppressSidious, Bane, Booger, Barf, Farts and HopelessBut do you recallA Darth even ickier than Maul?
― Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link
Dammit, fucked up the meter of my stupid nerd joke song, shoot me now.
*blasts Sith lightning*
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:47 (four years ago) link
There were bits I liked in this but even with lowered expectations, it was a resounding meh. Better than TFA is a staggeringly low bar.
― Roz, Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
even the more positive takes I've seen generally allege that at least the first hour is a total mess (though a few say it recovers)
― Simon H., Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:08 (four years ago) link
Also I saw this at the same cinema I watched TLJ, on the second opening night like I did for TLJ. Almost identical crowd - healthy proportion of dudes carrying lightsabers and wearing Vader helmets. The difference: loud applause for TLJ, dead silence this time around. Theatre full of SW nerds seemed genuinely confused.
I always thought the hate for TLJ among “fans” was overblown, this confirmed it for me.
― Roz, Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
Yeah, it's almost as if a certain kind of person cynically draped themselves in the finery of fandom as cover to express a certain kind of sentiment. No, I'm not a sewer-dwelling creep who helped drive Kelly Marie Tran off of twitter, I'm just an ardent faaaaaaan! It's just what we fans do.
― i was so hungry that i ate a hole cake entirely to myself (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link
this fuckin ruledpoe's "inspirational" half-time speech before the big assault the only serious misstep imo - stunk out the joint
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link
for what it's worth I enjoyed this plenty, appreciated that TLJ hit a few unusually interesting notes but ultimately for Ep 9 of 9 I was happy enough to sit and have my star war feelings gently massaged for 2.5 hrs. watching it with kids definitely helps I think, they subject it to the level of critical scrutiny it deserves (ie not much). Daisy Ridley seemed to have remembered how to take this shit seriously (enough), wasn't really feeling her feeling it last time. new cast largely charming, old guys were fine. falcon return with "rag-tag fleet" pretty cool, "it's just... People" - very good! was pretty bored by the prospect of the emperor coming back but it worked fine I thought. Is this a baked-in problem with resurrected sf franchises, that they are unable to surpass the mythic potency of their original villains? Eg new doctor who still very reliant on daleks & other old monsters...
anyway I must write down my thoughts and ferlings now because I know I won't be able to remember a thing about it in one month's time.
― umsworth (emsworth), Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:33 (four years ago) link
I actually felt the opposite! The first half was great fun, second half was deflating.
Fuck it imma spoil away, there just didn’t feel like there was any stakes involved - I never felt for one moment like the heroes were ever going to be in real trouble or that Rey was going to go to the dark side or Kylo was going to die a villain. it was just so pleasantly safe.
Also, like Gwen Christie and Captain Phasma... I cant believe they cast an actress like Keri Russell and kept her under a helmet the entire time.
― Roz, Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:33 (four years ago) link
#justiceforgeneralhugs btw
― Roz, Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:36 (four years ago) link
yeah the first half of the final assault felt oddly underpowered and clunkyapart from that there were a zillion great moments"friendship" theme firmly back in playrefreshing lack of suicidesextremely cool new ways for the force to work. lightsabre duel occurring in two different places simultaneously was amazing
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 19 December 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
all fair, but the qualification for commanding an Imperial force is that you have to sound like a prick and do it with an English accent iirc
― absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:19 (four years ago) link
surprised but not shocked that you hate The Player (1992), would not be surprised if you love The Game (1997)
Ralph McQuarrie is the author of the original trilogy
― Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:20 (four years ago) link
WTF Richard Grant is great I will not hear this
― akm, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:21 (four years ago) link
xp fair take imo
― absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:21 (four years ago) link
that is quality work sic
― ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:21 (four years ago) link
I feel like there wasn't a firm hand on the till, although with Disney nudging Kennedy and all the market forces of the modern era in the mix it's a tricky job
yeah there were clearly a lot more chefs puttering about in the kitchen on these movies than on the others and it shows. unlike with the marvel movies which emit a consistent grey slush due to hypercompetent management and the DC movies which are all over the place in an occasionally fun or somewhat interesting way because of...I guess a mix of Snyder's psychosis and a wackier batch of characters. IX was just deeply inept, misconceived and rushed really. it really is something how much better-sounding the movie Trevorrow wanted to make was based on the synopsis, I suspect it would still have been visually bleh tho
― brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Thursday, 26 March 2020 01:41 (four years ago) link
Richard E. Grant is wonderful in Can You Ever Forgive Me?, and clearly he was hired for this farrago to bring malicious fey Britishes to a ghost role.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 March 2020 01:49 (four years ago) link
I was thinking Herzog would have been fun for that but they cast him in that other thing instead.
― brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Thursday, 26 March 2020 01:51 (four years ago) link
terrible decision to halve domhnall in order to foreground yet another nothing character
also, was it left open as to whether reg was in fact a deep rebel agent, because i insist that it was
― ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Thursday, 26 March 2020 01:51 (four years ago) link
i am sick enough of star wars that i've started writing my own hatefic spec script, rewriting the prequel trilogy into one movie where the jedi are corrupt and hypocritical pederasts who spend more time fighting each other than opposing the possibly-mythical "sith lords". it's not original by any stretch of the imagination but it's been a lot of fun to write so far! i still have to figure out if/when i can incorporate han, lando, c3po, and r2d2 into it, though
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 17:09 (four years ago) link
Society-style shunt them into a single character imho
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link
is that a reference to the 1989 brian yuzna film? haven't seen it. or "re-animator". from what i'm reading about it, i'm afraid what i'm doing _really_ isn't that creative.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 17:15 (four years ago) link
I ended up watching Rise of Skywalker and re-watching the rest of the sequel trilogy because my kid got into it. TLJ was better than I remembered and ROS was really entertaining. All three of them are far from perfect, but I'm not going to spend my time searching for plot holes or anything.
― ☮️ (peace, man), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 17:28 (four years ago) link
searching!
my fuckin telly was swallowed by a fuckin plot hole when put this on
― steer calmer (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 19:08 (four years ago) link
you know i couldn't hit it sideways
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 19:41 (four years ago) link
just like sister rey said
― He is married to Brogmus, Linda. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 20:07 (four years ago) link
Can't believe that cavalry charge on the Star Destroyer worked. The ship could have just tipped over slightly and dumped them off!
― jmm, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 02:34 (three years ago) link
simplest debunking, good one
― mh, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 03:06 (three years ago) link
finn was using the force to keep it level
― Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 06:01 (three years ago) link
you need balance in the force
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 07:15 (three years ago) link
It took me 5 nights to finish ep ix, but alas I am done with this garbage franchise for good. What a waste of fucking time.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 7 May 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link
Old news to everyone by now, but this was not good. Even my husband, by far the bigger SW fan of the two of us, confessed to being bored. Abrams directs the whole thing like its one of those garbage SCI-Fi channel movies, while Ford, Hamill, and Williams play their scenes like they're doing walk-ons on Carson's Tonight Show. I'm even kinda rethinking my (admittedly mild) affection for the previous two entries in this trilogy now.
― A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Monday, 18 May 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link
I want that sweet red shirt/black cloak that Palpatine had, though
― mh, Monday, 18 May 2020 20:33 (three years ago) link
I watched this last night. It was bad. So many mythos gripes but my main one is the faceless hordes of Sith acolytes (theres only two siths at a time in the previous films) who are also the greatest star destroyer builders in the history of the galaxy
― COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Monday, 18 May 2020 20:44 (three years ago) link
Jedi powers are so extensive in this trilogy.
― COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Monday, 18 May 2020 20:46 (three years ago) link
there are two sith lords at at a time, there were often a shitload of acolytes in old star wars lore
pretty sure it's not a thing now, but there was originally a race of sith, like an entire planet of em
the thing that bugged me was that they decided instead of figuring out what the giant coliseum of sith would look like, they just put vague cloaks everywhere
― mh, Monday, 18 May 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link
Yeah I mean the ancient sith lore stuff is fine i guess but where did the emperor rustle up these multitudes? he didnt have any sith acolytes when he was emperor of the galaxy as far as we know
― COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Monday, 18 May 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link
he had those three or four creepy silent dudes behind him in return of the jedi
― mh, Monday, 18 May 2020 20:51 (three years ago) link
Tag yourself I'm Janus Greejatus pic.twitter.com/unRVEefeoD— Jeffrey Rowland (@wigu) December 28, 2018
posse photo
― mh, Monday, 18 May 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link
Always got strong Perry Farrell vibes from that guy on the right.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 18 May 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link
one of the funniest things about Star Wars lore is that costume and set designers would come up with all kinds of cool stuff, and at some point someone would want to make a trading card or short story about a background character
if George Lucas was around, they'd ask him. the answers would depend on how sleep-deprived he was
anything that's simple like "that's Bob, he drives a y-wing" would be when he was tired, but if he had a good night's rest, it'd be "yes that's Ookano Labooga, he carves flutes out of petrified Lotharian swampweasels"
― mh, Monday, 18 May 2020 21:02 (three years ago) link
I mean, I'd be petrified too!
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 May 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link
https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/tmb-sq_character-fozzie-bear_launch_2dc6bf1d.jpeg
― Bleeqwot (sic), Monday, 18 May 2020 21:55 (three years ago) link
There are so many stupid plot holes and decisions in this entire trilogy, but I still think (with a few def plodding twists in each of the three) they are 10x more fun than anything in Eps I-III. That's really all I ask, a few moments where my inner 8 year-old absolutely geeks out on something like the shot of all those Sith Star Destroyers amassed. Does it become absolutely stupid if I stop to consider where these are all coming from, how they are staffed and built? Absolutely. But they look menacing and awesome.
Not going to really defend these movies, because I am well aware of the many flaws and don't begrudge others a bit for disliking them. Having been able to watch these with, and through the eyes of, my son probably makes me a lot kinder than I might otherwise have been.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 18 May 2020 22:05 (three years ago) link
I need to see this again. It was fun the first time, but seeing how hated it is makes me doubt my own senses.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 18 May 2020 22:38 (three years ago) link
it's big and dumb and doesn't do much with characters that should have had more going on
but, there are a lot of beautifully constructed scenes where people do odd things!
― mh, Monday, 18 May 2020 23:27 (three years ago) link
I don't recall anything beautiful in ix besides oscar isaac
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 18 May 2020 23:52 (three years ago) link
https://media1.giphy.com/media/LHrY3Xv2fKaKQ/giphy.gif
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 00:07 (three years ago) link
watched this for first time. the ghost of luke is semi transparent, you can see the background through him. he crosses in front of rey and you can *still* see the background through him...
― koogs, Sunday, 16 October 2022 11:08 (one year ago) link