bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

Is that solvable if you create communities, do the work that bypasses this? We leave people vulnerable over decades of neglect.

Agree it's not the be all and in the short-term we will have to get dirty online too. Then again it's easy for me to say.

Leave.eu is the scummiest but by no means the only one. They were pushing the Muslim vote stuff openly and the Naz Shah bit is an extension of same. If you read DM comments this shit filters down into mainstream via stuff like this.

Facebook is way more popular with older voters, who due to demographic change are over-represented in places like Bishop Auckland and Ashton in Makerfield, so its essentially the same problem?

I don't know that chasing after the over 60 vote is possible anyway. The delineator isn't class, its age (though those things sort of the same becoming the same thing.

Got to look through the data to really tell (and what the data would be in 2024) but are there enough constituencies with a sizeable enough working age population?

In the North (and probably midlands) The Conservative party IS the Pensioner party now, there can't be two

I wouldn't give up on them.

i was saying to someone on a football messageboard who was parroting that Thornberry hates the English thing that other than being an arch remainer - she's probably not far off most tories on immigration going by comments she's made in the past.

She's got no chance.

xxp this is a good illustration of the age effect on voting, apols if already posted. We're living in a gerontocracy, even if that isn't fully reflected in the age of MPs and Ministers.

This chart shows #GE2019 results for constituencies in England sorted by the median average age of the voting age population.

Only one of the 97 seats with a median age below 44 changed party in the recent election: Putney, a Labour gain. pic.twitter.com/gbbCI9k3ST

— Owen Boswarva (@owenboswarva) December 17, 2019

So given this amendment are we looking at an increased likelihood of no deal?

i'm fully expecting this to be the case, especially since the leaked us trade deals basically made this a precondition of transatlantic cooperation

Think it would be good if we could just all agree as a nation that people who hang union jacks from their windows, when there isn't even a world cup on, are freaks who should be excluded from society.

Some of the majorities are small enough and these CON policies mean young people will find themselves stuck in these places for good in serfdom.

Having said all that the next election will see a re-drawn electoral map. They will do everything to destroy hope in the young, who could deliver sizeable majorities whatever the map so...a lot of work.

So given this amendment are we looking at an increased likelihood of no deal?

I'm past caring tbh.

i'm fully expecting this to be the case, especially since the leaked us trade deals basically made this a precondition of transatlantic cooperation

― WHEEL! OF! FORESKIN! (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

One thing that could change whatever deal is if Trump is defeated ofc. Sanders or Warren have better have learnt from the mistakes here. The playbook will be played there again.

I'm past caring tbh.

― Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

That's what the people said!

gove refused to rule out no-deal four times this morning on bbc breakfast

reassuring stuff, we're definitely not actively striding towards making the uk a fully deregulated corporate hellscape

Que sera sera, whatever will be will be, we're going to Wembley, que sera sera.

One thing that could change whatever deal is if Trump is defeated ofc. Sanders or Warren have better have learnt from the mistakes here. The playbook will be played there again.

the us media is already rolling out the antisemitism charges against sanders, so i'm fully expecting the same playbook plus whatever else they think they can get to stick

given that the us election is in november and president bernard sanders won't be taking office until january 2021 (please god), i don't think we can expect anything other than a full-speed-ahead charge towards the cliff edge from our overlords here, and i genuinely dunno where that would leave us if a more reasonable president is installed in america

Bernie Sanders is not going to be President of the USA.

that's the spirit!

On fire today Tom!

I don't know whether he or Warren will get the nom, or be President. Will depend on the economy and the like. But a change in direction may change these trade deals that do take years to negotiate.

A badly negotiated deal will be a danger to many small businesses, for example, and that's a huge Tory constituency.

I was watching a documentary of footage from pre-WWII workplaces in the US and no matter how exploitative the employers were they had a paternalistic bent that looked utopian compared to most low skilled jobs today. Of course the bulk of people who voted this government in won't have to worry about that shit

and "non-regressioN" on workers' rights is being stripped from the Brexit Bill, in more good news

We will need to start fighting for all of it again!

KIDS DON'T WORRY I HEARD THIS MASSIVE MAJORITY WILL GIVE JOHNSON THE CHANCE TO SHOW HIS TRUE ONE NATION CENTRIST SOFT BREXIT SIDE

I was watching a documentary of footage from pre-WWII workplaces in the US and no matter how exploitative the employers were they had a paternalistic bent that looked utopian compared to most low skilled jobs today.

amazing what the threat of a worker's revolution can do to an employer's outlook

it was pretty bleak watching the rise and decline of unionisation

these Tories that self-identify as lol One Nation ones also completely lack that paternalistic bent which is why they are not ONT by any definition. People who believe that Boris is going to use his majority to fuck off all right wing nutters and show his hitherto unseen moderate side are just so fucking laughable, how do they get paid to write this nonsense ffs.

no it was good because now the owners of the means of production were free to trickle down their economic miracles upon the general population, creating the capitalist utopia we live in today xp

Pound tumbles as Brexit cliff-edge fears grow - business live https://t.co/cuFOLbMYUo

— Guardian news (@guardiannews) December 17, 2019

here we go

guys vince cable has written an op-ed for the graun and there's a lot we can learn from in there imo

In the last parliament, a significant group of Labour and Conservative MPs felt the only escape from the tightening grip of militants in their party was to leave. They had the courage to put their careers on the line, to risk ostracism and put up with abuse. Some stood this time as Lib Dems, others as independents. They were wiped out. All of them. I suspect that those who stayed in the old parties have learned the value of obedience and cowardice.

he Lib Dems must be a voice for “leave” Carshalton – where we lost our excellent, longstanding MP Tom Brake – as much as for “remain” Twickenham. For its part, Labour will have to go back to Gordon Brown’s more disciplined approach to spending – and even to Tony Crosland’s Future of Socialism, written in the 1950s – to remind itself why its clause IV pledge was not a great idea.

I would hope that the spirit of cross-party groups such as Unite for Remain, More United and Compass can be mobilised around a shared programme beyond Brexit, to give hope to the politically homeless millions in the gaping middle.

"the gaping middle" come back Gapesy, all is forgiven

Look we must be able to get AKs from somewhere

Such a way with words, Sir Vince.

Sir Vince's turdular way

laying some cable in the pages of the grauniad

I can never really get a handle on why the politically homeless don't like the Lib Dems (Ok i do really, they say they are politically homeless but live at 13 Lib Dem Avenue). Their problem is they want 3 homes, they want all the parties not just one.

Again with the politically homeless. Barf.

actual homeless: i sleep

politically homeless: REAL SHIT

Come on, Jewish Chronicle. You’d condemn people who say antisemitism’s just an excuse to shut down criticism of Israel. So why publish an article saying Islamophobia’s just an excuse to shut down criticism of Islam?
We must stand together against bigotry. https://t.co/7KnlxUrv4i

— David Schneider (@davidschneider) December 16, 2019

TBH if I had a newly-minted 80-seat majority and five years to get this shit done I'd tell Farage 'thanks for the votes, now fuck off'. So I can only assume this is being driven directly by Dominic Cummings. Difference is there's no one who can prevent us going over the cliff this time.

think the politically homeless can be comfortably written off as not amenable to voting for economic democracy at this point

also it's not No Deal if both sides sign off on WTO rules

Like at this point whether you wanna call it a deal or not is gonna be an irrelevance

Zac Goldsmith has been rewarded with a peerage for repeatedly losing whenever he stands in elections

Also it's pretty dumb, Johnson had the potential to benefit from a post-deal investment bounce as there would at least be a degree of something approaching certainty for businesses for the duration of the transition period. Refusing to extend it pulls that rug right up from under the government, and they don't even need to do it because they've already won the election and could claim to have honoured their manifesto pledge from January 31st.

The ultras have the wheel now and leaving the EU won't satisfy them.

"Ho Hum"

You rubes, you complete fucking rubes. pic.twitter.com/mw5u0YfYqf

— stef_wholemeal (@RebootedStef) December 17, 2019

The pound is going to bounce up and down as long as Johnson’s backers can make money speculating on currency.

No redrawal of the electoral map will save the Tories if the economy collapses

looking back fondly on all those warnings about a Labour gov wrecking the economy

'only a strong hand on the tiller can rekindle the economy after the eu sabotaged it, a vote for labour is a vote for a socialist hellworld where your house will be claimed by the state'

The pound is going to bounce up and down as long as Johnson’s backers can make money speculating on currency.

― santa clause four (suzy), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 10:48 (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink