Is this anti-semitism?

would it kill you to call your bubbe every sunday?

(sorry sorry sorry couldn't help it)

something I could do to help the Jewish community

be friendly

OK, so Jews are actually being murdered in the USA but let's finally way of shoe-horning Corbyn in there.

Friendliness isn’t the problem!

But study, I can do. Not that I’m ignorant - I took classes on Judaism at university (along with divinity, and classical studies etc. - the advantage of the Scottish degree system).

Jews comprise a small minority in every western nation, which is an inherently insecure position, so their feeling like the larger community accepts them in a friendly and open way is quite important. You cannot personally vouch for the entire community, but your making it clear they have a good friend in that community gives them important reassurance. Don't underestimate it.

Any truth at all to the Likud influence against Corbyn theme? It has not seemed a clever thing to say tbh (ascribing concerns about antisemitism to an 'Israel lobby'), but I mean, presumably Likud don't in fact like Corbyn and might have said so?

Ffs

No evidence that I know of, the BJP on the other hand.

likud can't even make a government in israel how are they gonna get someone elected or not elected in the uk

LOL yeah, it's a stretch.

Seems obvious that he doesn't actually mean the political party known as Likud but right wing Jews living in the UK, which is what gives it some of its antisemitic overtones

One of the things I am dreading, by the way, is the inevitable claims that the antisemitism concerns/statements are what cost Labour the election/are why we now have Boris and by implication Boris is there because of 'the Jews' and their complaining. The use made of those concerns by the right wing media, of course, were an integral part of the takedown of Corbyn, but that's one level removed, and many will not understand that.

When 80% of a community is concerned by something, it’s not a smear campaign, it’s a legit concern. And that’s the case of any minority community.

Right, which is why I refer to 'the use made of' the concerns (to try and split momentum/young activist/Muslim Labour party members off from the Jewish party members amongst other things). The actual concerns were one thing, the reportage was another.

Idt this is happening apart from a fringe nobody likes or endorses anyway. Gove’s speech that mentioned it was of more concern to people I know.

I wasn’t directing it to you directly cardamon, more to a certain type of very online leftist discourse that I have seen here and around.

Also being concerned by the behaviour of the main left wing party does not mean being totally cool with the behaviour of the main right wing party which is a weird defence of Labour’s actions I’ve seen going around.

No yeah, I just wanted to make clear I agree with you.

I always rather thought you could expect Palestinian flag lapel pin protest guy, and moderate Zionist guy, to come to terms with each other qua both being Labour party members, if it were just a local party meeting with biscuits. They'd probably discover about each other that they just cared about human rights, etc. I'm happy to be informed otherwise but it feels to me as if the split were engendered by Tory journalists finding this potential conflict within the membership and gleefully enlarging on it, more than by either of the two broadly defined type of Labour voter acting up. This anyway is the diplomatic line I will be talking if it comes up.

Tories journalists simply ran away with a situation that shouldn’t have existed in the first place, like Corbyn refusing to endorse a notion that ‘a people has a right to self determination’ which is a horrific notion, no matter which people we may talk about.

like Corbyn refusing to endorse a notion that ‘a people has a right to self determination’ which is a horrific notion

What?

Plenty of 'peoples' get this whether we like it or not, is the spanner in the works imo. I am not the expert in the room of course. But to attempt to judge fairly the question whether Jews are a nation, and thus should get a nation state, requires us to factor in that exclusive nationalism predates Zionism and had been achieved in practice, usually to the extreme cost to the Jewish populations of emergent national states, long before 1948. So to single out Zionism for censure is arguably unfair and double standards.

Which Corbyn should probably have noticed and presumably never did.

like Corbyn refusing to endorse a notion that ‘a people has a right to self determination’ which is a horrific notion

Which of Corbyn’s policies is this referring to?

Assume they mean IHRA?

There’s something incredibly ugly about the gleeful coverage of Alan “legitimate concerns” Johnson tearing a strip off Jon Lansman on tv being circulated atm.

Hard agree. He has NO business chiding Momentum, who slogged their guts out for all PPCs, and led the most dumbass Remain campaign ever.

am on bus coming home from central London, group of men behind me just started shouting ‘are there any Jews on the bus, Jews get off the bus, fucking Jews.’ I was shocked, turned around, thought of saying ‘yes me, please stop.’ Thought better of it. Never seen anything like it

— Hannah Partos (@hannahhh) December 14, 2019

Cool cool

And guess who's getting the blame for it in the replies to that tweet? Jeremy Corbyn! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/antisemitism-executive-order-trump-chilling-effect?

Really interesting piece on the exec order.

The writer of that piece just published this, commissioned by my college friend Nat, an editor there:

https://utorontopress.com/us/the-conflict-over-the-conflict-2

Yup, saw the link below the article.

started shouting ‘are there any Jews on the bus, Jews get off the bus, fucking Jews.’

ftr, definitely anti-Semitism

3 Tory MPs are under investigation for antisemitism. Take that in for a moment folks and imagine if this had been the Labour Party at any time in the last 3 years. Respect to @JewishChron for reporting this. Rest of the media? Hello? Are you there? Hello? Hello? https://t.co/sgtEJX3DZg

— Michael Rosen (@MichaelRosenYes) December 15, 2019

Re the above, can I do another perhaps slightly irritating 'Cardamon asks questions' post: are antisemites of the Soros conspiracy flavour more or less actively dangerous than the Israel/Palestine flavoured ones?

Jews secretly control the world vs. Israel is an apartheid state? Is that the sort of thing you mean?

Aye. I can see how both formulations could feed/inspire an act of violence, in that both are dehumanising, but I guess I'm asking is there data or worldly experience on which causes more damage or which is the more prevalent.

control-f Britain First

Local politicians and the jewish papers are showing their complete ignorance of local fascist activity in NW3/NW5. Sort it out - this is important stuff 🙄 https://t.co/SQkoyCATxJ

— jewdⒶs // ייִדהודה (@jewdas) December 29, 2019

https://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/5-stabbed-at-Hanukkah-celebration-in-rabbi-s-New-14937247.php

Remains to be seen if this was really an anti-semitic attack like the recent Black Hebrew Israelites one or something else, but I need more information on this previous arrest: "Thomas' criminal history includes an arrest for assaulting a police horse, according to an official briefed on the investigation."

Awful.

https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/bret-stephens.php

As most people were winding down their work week and preparing to turn out the lights on 2019, Stephens chose to drop a column entitled The Secrets of Jewish Genius. In it, the Times columnist posed—and then tried to answer—the question of why there have been so many noteworthy Jewish scientists and thinkers. As he put it: “How is it that a people who never amounted even to one-third of 1 percent of the world’s population contributed so seminally to so many of its most pathbreaking ideas and innovations?”

In the end, Stephens comes to the conclusion that Jewish genius “operates differently” from the intelligence displayed by others. It is, he says, “prone to question the premise and rethink the concept; to ask why (or why not?) as often as how; to see the absurd in the mundane and the sublime in the absurd.” These differences, according to Stephens, stem from cultural factors, as well as a focus on questioning authority. But those ideas weren’t what triggered a multi-day backlash against Stephens or the Times (although many argued they were also wrong-headed). What drove the wave of criticism was that in the course of making this argument, Stephens cited a paper he said supported the theory that Ashkenazi Jews (i.e., those with a primarily European background) have higher IQs than the average population. Within hours of the column being posted, multiple people pointed out one of the co-authors of the paper had expressed racist views and had ties to white supremacist organizations, and that the journal the paper appeared in was formerly known as Eugenics Review.

it’s not antisemitic if the evidence of your callipers is that jewish people are superior, obv

i'll just head off whoever is rushing to this thread to excitedly post that jacobin article by noting that it is not good

Huh, didn't know Kenny G was Jewish. You should always learn at least one new thing about Kenny G each day.

The G stands for Genius.

Kenny "Gefilte Fish"

may there be a million kenny gorelick jokes before i'm forced to explain to a tankie why "socialism" is not the true answer to the problem of antisemitism

Multiple people have pointed out that Kenny G was formerly known as Kenny E, as in Kenny Eugenics.