bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

was just about to post that - excellent piece

Yeah, that's really good.

Yeah really impressive to turn something that rigorous and concise around, quite painful reading but it needs to be really

Maybe Tories are going to get a Trickle Down Big Society after all - forcing people into forming systems to help each other out of their own time, labour and pockets.

Not really looked at many results properly yet but re individuals losing seats Pidcock's hurts the most right now (Kensington I was a lot more braced for).

So presumably there are now significantly fewer women in Parliament even if the Tories share has gone up a bit.

Superb piece, but as usual the people who need to read it won’t.

Yeah that's going to be the most lucid contribution to the debate that there ever is huh

Good piece however.

"It matters who runs the Labour party, but it’s not the only thing that matters."

It does matter more than this is letting on? If you talk about likeability of the leader and his ability to see off the right-wing press.

Also the leader will choose a team who will drive policy and direction too. The activists that are part of Lab will not sell racism.

argh

I’m not saying that Boris Johnson’s victory is a victory for fascists.

But fascists are. pic.twitter.com/Si7IC3jzTz

— Ash Sarkar (@AyoCaesar) December 13, 2019

So presumably there are now significantly fewer women in Parliament even if the Tories share has gone up a bit.

Not so - 220 women is a new high, including 104 out of 203 Labour MPs.

The comments on Yongue though.

Thanks Andrew that's something

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tactical-voting-blog/labour-general-election-brexit-leave-corbyn-voting-a9244931.html

(In short: the Labour vote didn’t collapse in lots of places, but there was a blue surge)

nuke katie hopkins

The comments on Yongue though.

― stet, Friday, December 13, 2019 1:25 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Pouring one out for the Graun's comment police today; what a day to be doing that job.

Heh, seriously.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tactical-voting-blog/labour-general-election-brexit-leave-corbyn-voting-a9244931.html🕸

(In short: the Labour vote didn’t collapse in lots of places, but there was a blue surge)

“I can’t believe we’ve got a Tory MP up here”

“You vote Brexit, you vote Tory… That’s what this country has come to”

Caller Shaun in Consett doesn’t hold back about his constituency voting in a Conservative MP.#GE2019 | #BBCElection pic.twitter.com/jpoIURzJ8N

— BBC Radio 5 Live (@bbc5live) December 13, 2019

solidarity with shaun in consett

can't help finding this hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS4kaxRJYqU

That Shaun from Consett needs to get out from his metropolitan bubble and try talking to some real people for a change.

We should rejig the Union Flag to look like this bar chart - at least until Scotland goes

I'm telling you: democratic socialism has a generational momentum of its own. Corbyn's main achievement was to pry open the Labour Party, reinvigorate its young membership, and expand the political horizon. A new generation of activists will now have to take the struggle forward. pic.twitter.com/bl8HCfIijK

— Jerome Roos 🌹 (@JeromeRoos) December 13, 2019

rip big man

BREAKING: Jeremy Corbyn says he will stand down “in the early part of next year”. That leaves a out of wriggle room to help install a successor in his image.

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) December 13, 2019

From that Independent article:

Similar patterns emerge in Stockton South, Bishop Auckland, Bolton North East, North West Durham, and many other places: the story is one of a Tory surge, often sustained from an initial one in 2017, rather than a complete Labour collapse of anything other than extra voters gained in 2017.

this sounds more like Jon Stone doesn't know what words mean?

That's pretty much the state of play all over in one handy bar chart, huh

With Pidcock gone I guess I'd go for Long-Bailey. Labour now have more women than men in the Commons after all.

Absolutely devastated. In hindsight, the moment Corbyn got jeered for mentioning poor people in one of the debates was when I should of realised what this country had become.

— Darren (@nsno_83) December 13, 2019

democratic socialism has a generational momentum of its own

real talk: my genuine, paralysing terror today - as it has been for a while now - is that we're going to run out of time to install anything close to a democratic socialist government before ecofascism swamps the opposition once and for all and we just dig in and wait for irreversible global collapse

not a helpful contribution to the thread but i need to put it down somewhere

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/brexit-party-nigel-farage-boris-johnson-labour-leavers

This is pretty much what I saw on the night. What it leaves out is how the Remain votes were squeezed by both Greens and Lib Dems too.

Boris would probably be on a small majority.

From that Independent article:

/Similar patterns emerge in Stockton South, Bishop Auckland, Bolton North East, North West Durham, and many other places: the story is one of a Tory surge, often sustained from an initial one in 2017, rather than a complete Labour collapse of anything other than extra voters gained in 2017./

this sounds more like Jon Stone doesn't know what words mean?

Guardian:

Starmer? Phillips? Who will be the next Labour leader?

Lol it won't be Starmer after the leave vote won.

if it’s starmer then god help our souls

Tired lol at the notion Mr Remain will get those Northern seats back in this universe

When I saw the exit poll, I thought of the reports of high turnout in the referendum. Turnout high enough to get people who’ve never voted or who are alienated to come out. That’s where the Tory surge is from. I’d put money on it.

The turnout was pretty mediocre in this election though? Especially in Leave areas?

Yeah poss just not making sense. My point is that surge came from the same kind of voter.

There is hope: Boris Johnson’s big majority could unleash the social liberal within | Simon Jenkins https://t.co/ltsGksBNbC

— The Guardian (@guardian) December 13, 2019

Simon Jenkins apparently agrees with my mother. This is potentially the implication in the Times endorsement too - not that Johnson is too right-wing to admit what his policies are to the electorate (which was my read of it) but he’s too liberal to let on. Chris Hope’s Telegraph piece is already talking about a major shift to the centre and comparisons with Blair. It seems completely mad but I have long suspected that a lot of the people who voted for him in the mayoral election have basically convinced themselves that it’s true.

Yes because Boris is a consistent political beast who has just been concealing his true colours to win the election.

I don't think Pidcock would have been the best idea for leadership candidate tbh. Not saying the pics/tweets of her endorsing Chris Williamson are the complete measure of her but others definitely would.

He doesn’t believe in anything. He’ll do what he has to regardless of whether it’s consistent or not.

I'm sure I'm not the first to point this out, but at national vote share level, this is *not* a Labour to Tory swing. It's Labour to Lib-Dem and Brexit Party. The *Green* vote increased in absolute numbers by almost as much as the Tory vote. pic.twitter.com/0JaDPE4jMY

— Jo Michell (@JoMicheII) December 13, 2019

Precisely. Belief in anything else about his character is… misguided, to say the least.

xp

No, I wouldn't have had Pidcock either and she couldn't hold on to her seat anyway.

I think that kind of helps him, tbh. Spend a whole campaign making claims about the beliefs of a man who quite openly has none and you’re arguing with smoke.

Xp

Should have gone harder on the character stuff but it’s too late now.

For sure. It's just that voting for the flesh-and-blood avatar of a Rorschach test doesn't strike me as a brilliant democratic move but what do I know?

xp

Cameron didn't believe in anything either fwiw.

Just read that Gary Younge piece. Good stuff.

It is absolutely wild that the Tory vote only went up 1.2%. That's a figure worth remembering.

FPTP ftw, that most venerable of cultural exports to the Empire's ex-colonies.

So we're still waiting for St. Ives right? Seeing as the LDs were useless everywhere I assume this stays blue too.

suggested new thread: love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)