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Are there any stats on the vote breakdown?

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:26 (four years ago) link

Good luck joining the EU without a consensual referendum. Tories might be happy to cut Scotland loose for a guaranteed majority forever

plax (ico), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:29 (four years ago) link

Though

plax (ico), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:29 (four years ago) link

Feel like SNP fucked Labour getting a majority anyway

And on the "different context" point, I prefer to just use the numbers because everyone can make their own context adjustments. If you spot Brown the recession, at the very least you have to spot Corbyn and Miliband the rise of the SNP.

— Dan Davies (@dsquareddigest) December 13, 2019

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:33 (four years ago) link

5L callers keep saying this a.m. that they couldn't vote for corbyn because of 'his baggage' and 'the people around him', that he gave 'too much ammunition to the right wing press' - all from a kind of meta level that OTHER people would be put off. i guess this is the 'electability' mentality. nobody actually talked about what they themselves didn't like about him.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:36 (four years ago) link

the electability narrative is such infuriating bullshit

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:38 (four years ago) link

Absolutely irate caller on 5L, just livid - can't believe he's got a Tory MP in County Durham.

'If you want Brexit, you vote Conservative, and that's what we've got. .... Why didn't you vote Labour? And if Corbyn was no good we could have just got rid of him? That's what the Tories have done the last four years! Just put in a Labour government and if Corbyn's no good get rid of him!'

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:42 (four years ago) link

absolutely irate caller on 5l otm

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:42 (four years ago) link

Tories got just a little under 300,000 more votes this time than in 2017

While Labour lost around 2.6M votes

What a staggeringly shit system

nashwan, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:43 (four years ago) link

Feel like SNP fucked Labour getting a majority anyway

Post the Independence Referendum the Labour Party now has the handicap of being down upwards of 40 seats in General Elections.

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:45 (four years ago) link

Absolutely empirical proof exists that the Tories are better at committing regicide than Labour.

Matt DC, Friday, 13 December 2019 11:46 (four years ago) link

It's like dragging a ball and chain about.

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:46 (four years ago) link

(xp)

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:46 (four years ago) link

thank you david, very cool!

Betrayal is the cry of the Left against Labour in govt. Now we have seen the truth: Betrayal is when an in-credible, sectarian Labour opposition fails to provide a viable alternative to a distrusted Tory party. They get rumbled. The Tories win. The country loses. https://t.co/IlHhescGYF

— David Miliband (@DMiliband) December 13, 2019

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:52 (four years ago) link

johnson's slogan: get brexit done
sky's strapline: the brexit election
every centrist melt: whyyyy don't you back remain

same melts on 13 dec: ACTUALLY it wasn't really about brexit

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 December 2019 11:56 (four years ago) link

great to see the politics of aspiration breaking through to the most deprived areas in the country, looking forward to local people bootstrapping their way to prosperity through enthusiastic entrepreneurship

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 12:00 (four years ago) link

(kill me)

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 12:00 (four years ago) link

Gary Younge is typically clear headed here:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/labour-why-lost-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-media?

Matt DC, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:01 (four years ago) link

was just about to post that - excellent piece

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 12:02 (four years ago) link

Yeah, that's really good.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:10 (four years ago) link

Yeah really impressive to turn something that rigorous and concise around, quite painful reading but it needs to be really

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 13 December 2019 12:13 (four years ago) link

Maybe Tories are going to get a Trickle Down Big Society after all - forcing people into forming systems to help each other out of their own time, labour and pockets.

Not really looked at many results properly yet but re individuals losing seats Pidcock's hurts the most right now (Kensington I was a lot more braced for).

So presumably there are now significantly fewer women in Parliament even if the Tories share has gone up a bit.

nashwan, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:14 (four years ago) link

Superb piece, but as usual the people who need to read it won’t.

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:15 (four years ago) link

Yeah that's going to be the most lucid contribution to the debate that there ever is huh

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 13 December 2019 12:16 (four years ago) link

Good piece however.

"It matters who runs the Labour party, but it’s not the only thing that matters."

It does matter more than this is letting on? If you talk about likeability of the leader and his ability to see off the right-wing press.

Also the leader will choose a team who will drive policy and direction too. The activists that are part of Lab will not sell racism.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link

argh

I’m not saying that Boris Johnson’s victory is a victory for fascists.

But fascists are. pic.twitter.com/Si7IC3jzTz

— Ash Sarkar (@AyoCaesar) December 13, 2019

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 12:23 (four years ago) link

So presumably there are now significantly fewer women in Parliament even if the Tories share has gone up a bit.

Not so - 220 women is a new high, including 104 out of 203 Labour MPs.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:24 (four years ago) link

The comments on Yongue though.

stet, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:25 (four years ago) link

Thanks Andrew that's something

nashwan, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:26 (four years ago) link

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tactical-voting-blog/labour-general-election-brexit-leave-corbyn-voting-a9244931.html

(In short: the Labour vote didn’t collapse in lots of places, but there was a blue surge)

stet, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:33 (four years ago) link

nuke katie hopkins

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:34 (four years ago) link

The comments on Yongue though.

― stet, Friday, December 13, 2019 1:25 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Pouring one out for the Graun's comment police today; what a day to be doing that job.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:35 (four years ago) link

Heh, seriously.

pomenitul, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:36 (four years ago) link

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tactical-voting-blog/labour-general-election-brexit-leave-corbyn-voting-a9244931.html🕸

(In short: the Labour vote didn’t collapse in lots of places, but there was a blue surge)


Must have been a repeat of the EU ref, where they targeted non voters and people who didn’t normally turn out. They didn’t come out in 17 but they did in force this year. The “tell them again” demo

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:44 (four years ago) link

“I can’t believe we’ve got a Tory MP up here”

“You vote Brexit, you vote Tory… That’s what this country has come to”

Caller Shaun in Consett doesn’t hold back about his constituency voting in a Conservative MP.#GE2019 | #BBCElection pic.twitter.com/jpoIURzJ8N

— BBC Radio 5 Live (@bbc5live) December 13, 2019

that 5 live call

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 12:53 (four years ago) link

solidarity with shaun in consett

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 12:56 (four years ago) link

can't help finding this hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS4kaxRJYqU

nashwan, Friday, 13 December 2019 13:00 (four years ago) link

That Shaun from Consett needs to get out from his metropolitan bubble and try talking to some real people for a change.

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Friday, 13 December 2019 13:01 (four years ago) link

We should rejig the Union Flag to look like this bar chart - at least until Scotland goes

I'm telling you: democratic socialism has a generational momentum of its own. Corbyn's main achievement was to pry open the Labour Party, reinvigorate its young membership, and expand the political horizon. A new generation of activists will now have to take the struggle forward. pic.twitter.com/bl8HCfIijK

— Jerome Roos 🌹 (@JeromeRoos) December 13, 2019

nashwan, Friday, 13 December 2019 13:15 (four years ago) link

rip big man

BREAKING: Jeremy Corbyn says he will stand down “in the early part of next year”. That leaves a out of wriggle room to help install a successor in his image.

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) December 13, 2019

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 13:17 (four years ago) link

From that Independent article:

Similar patterns emerge in Stockton South, Bishop Auckland, Bolton North East, North West Durham, and many other places: the story is one of a Tory surge, often sustained from an initial one in 2017, rather than a complete Labour collapse of anything other than extra voters gained in 2017.

this sounds more like Jon Stone doesn't know what words mean?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 13 December 2019 13:19 (four years ago) link

That's pretty much the state of play all over in one handy bar chart, huh

Simon H., Friday, 13 December 2019 13:19 (four years ago) link

With Pidcock gone I guess I'd go for Long-Bailey. Labour now have more women than men in the Commons after all.

nashwan, Friday, 13 December 2019 13:20 (four years ago) link

Absolutely devastated. In hindsight, the moment Corbyn got jeered for mentioning poor people in one of the debates was when I should of realised what this country had become.

— Darren (@nsno_83) December 13, 2019

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 13:20 (four years ago) link

democratic socialism has a generational momentum of its own

real talk: my genuine, paralysing terror today - as it has been for a while now - is that we're going to run out of time to install anything close to a democratic socialist government before ecofascism swamps the opposition once and for all and we just dig in and wait for irreversible global collapse

not a helpful contribution to the thread but i need to put it down somewhere

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 December 2019 13:21 (four years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/brexit-party-nigel-farage-boris-johnson-labour-leavers

This is pretty much what I saw on the night. What it leaves out is how the Remain votes were squeezed by both Greens and Lib Dems too.

Boris would probably be on a small majority.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 13 December 2019 13:22 (four years ago) link

From that Independent article:

/Similar patterns emerge in Stockton South, Bishop Auckland, Bolton North East, North West Durham, and many other places: the story is one of a Tory surge, often sustained from an initial one in 2017, rather than a complete Labour collapse of anything other than extra voters gained in 2017./

this sounds more like Jon Stone doesn't know what words mean?


No - he means the vote this year was largely in line with Labour’s average share of the vote in previous GEs & 17 was the anomaly.

When I saw the exit poll, I thought of the reports of high turnout in the referendum. Turnout high enough to get people who’ve never voted or who are alienated to come out. That’s where the Tory surge is from. I’d put money on it.

gyac, Friday, 13 December 2019 13:22 (four years ago) link

Guardian:

Starmer? Phillips? Who will be the next Labour leader?

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Friday, 13 December 2019 13:22 (four years ago) link

Lol it won't be Starmer after the leave vote won.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 13 December 2019 13:25 (four years ago) link

when you start playing that silly bugger relativism game Theresa May is more of a socialist than Trump etc..

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 02:48 (four years ago) link

just because we are going through a global crisis right now I'm not going to start forgetting who the fucking scum of the earth are.

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 02:50 (four years ago) link

https://t.co/iCqOK1NgA9 pic.twitter.com/eTXUi0ghQg

— ryan 🚩 (@ryxnf) March 16, 2020

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 02:58 (four years ago) link

Now *that* is some mighty big spin. https://t.co/vm7GTxfnMG

— James Meadway (@meadwaj) March 17, 2020

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 08:31 (four years ago) link

When this is all over, remember how landlords behaved - and let's build a society without them. pic.twitter.com/SOhb2RSfy0

— Gordon Maloney (@gordonmaloney) March 17, 2020

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 08:38 (four years ago) link

If we are doing tweets have we done this?

Tweeted my MP @Pauline_Latham about abysmal level of the statutory sick pay that families are going to be forced to live on if they get ill (if they’re lucky). Her reply?

“Get a life.”

This is my MP who will NOT have to live on £94 a week if she gets ill. pic.twitter.com/RpdVBdfLu5

— MHughes #Environment #Wildlife #RSPB (@ML1Hughes) March 15, 2020

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 08:40 (four years ago) link

Calmly doing tweets.

It would be remiss of me to imply, however, that Labour MPs were conducting themselves with grace, humanity & dignity. https://t.co/7eOe13pUMf pic.twitter.com/S2f6Tn0dag

— Tom Gann (@Tom_Gann) March 17, 2020

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 08:46 (four years ago) link

buried in that thread somewhere:

the people who keep trying to invoke blitz spirit seem to think the lesson of the blitz was to “carry on as normal” and not “coordinate a rapid and serious response on every level to prevent unnecessary deaths”

— jonathan nunn (@demarionunn) March 16, 2020

ymo sumac (NickB), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 09:06 (four years ago) link

Credit where credit's due, those Macron measures are excellent - one of the things about making no ideology your defining personal brand is that enables you to get away with things like this. Johnson may have to do them in time as well because he has few firmly held convictions in any case. The fed cutting interest rates to zero is basically asking for intervention like this. If there's a big rally on the French stock market then the right will be on board anyway - it's better to help businesses and individuals now then let everyone fail and have to spend big to deal with the fallout later.

Everyone concerned - governments, economists, creditors - will have to change their attitude to money over the next few months.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 09:47 (four years ago) link

More to the point if he didn't then there would almost certainly be widespread rioting across French cities.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 09:49 (four years ago) link

how much credit do we give the rioters

ogmor, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 09:58 (four years ago) link

Can’t wait for a grudging Johnson to nationalise everything and get tonguebathed by the same bootlickers screaming about communism and sneering “are you going to nationalise sausages” at Labour.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 10:35 (four years ago) link

I know we're very day-to-day right now, but I'm wondering what/when restrictions easing will look like. This is going to turn into the Boxing Day that never ended soon.

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 10:38 (four years ago) link

not to be that guy, but maybe a new thread makes sense? bojo is still king sorta kinda but is brexit still on? and obviously stuff is fucked except we found new levels

new level new thread :|

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 10:42 (four years ago) link

The Politics of D(ist)ancing

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 10:43 (four years ago) link

altho tbf the world is on hold so it's not like there's gonna be much in the way of non-Covid politics or apparently non-Covid discussion of anything else for a while

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 10:44 (four years ago) link

Reminds me of a thread I need to make though, the important thing wrt this thread is that we’re still all gonna die

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 10:51 (four years ago) link

Macron measures are good yes but also just common sense in avoiding total societal collapse. The idea of somehow keeping the economy going via keeping pubs, shops, etc. open will seem like a sick joke pretty quickly as the deaths start piling up.

I mean I know right-wing ideologues have been getting away with encouraging total societal collapse for ages, but not at this speed.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 10:59 (four years ago) link

Just common sense yes but it's not as if other leaders have done it.

how much credit do we give the rioters

100% but crowds on that scale probably not the best idea right now.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:12 (four years ago) link

suggested new thread: love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:16 (four years ago) link


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