Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

Can't really blame them tbh.

Except to say that thousands and thousands of vulnerable people will suffer as a result of this, including a lot of EU nationals who, like myself, have put down enough roots here that simply leaving isn't an option and, unlike myself, aren't privileged enough to be sheltered from the worst of it.

I mean I know you know this pom but really today my tolerance for that kind of flippancy is at an all time low.

What does 'double down' mean for you - a second Twitter account?

people you don't know and don't care to understand

Cuts both ways, you know.

I'm fundamentally neither a pessimist nor an optimist when it comes to so-called 'human nature'. You seem to be more of the latter, and that's ok.

Sorry Daniel, but you have to expect some amount of blowback from the continent after being systematically demonized for so long.

And yeah, agree with pom that significant portions of the British populace have been brainwashed into thinking that better things aren't possible and spite towards the Other is the only benefit they will ever get. Agree with xyzz that we need to continue proposing an alternative nonetheless. #hegel

The age breakdown of voters really gives the best indication of how 2024 might be. Though landscape in 2024 is of course likely to be substantially different

bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

Lol you know what it means Andrew - permanently left Labour that offers the kind of things people still think are good. For a start.

That list of things people still think are good in full:

Racism
Discrimination
Inequality
Benefit cuts
NHS up for sale

better things aren't possible and spite towards the Other is the only benefit they will ever get

It's not just that, though. It's that what we believe are 'better things' aren't better at all according to their model. That spite is precisely what they cherish and nurse: it's their primary motivator – lest we fall back on a Catholic-style 'sin is separation from God' ideology, which I don't buy at all. Awfulness and selfishness and violence are their own reward for some people, and this is part of who we are as a species.

Precisely.

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Sorry Daniel, but you have to expect some amount of blowback from the continent after being systematically demonized for so long.

This is footie team nonsense, there's not some amorphous The Continent (which I would be part of, anyway), there's people and this result means more people will suffer and anyone whose reaction to that is lols is a cunt.

It needs to be someone who can sell those policies better and come up with a proper strategy to neutralise the media, I'm not sure if that person exists within the current PLP though.

"I'm fundamentally neither a pessimist nor an optimist when it comes to so-called 'human nature'."

I get you down as pretty pessimistic lol. But it's not so much optimism. I don't see last night's result as a rejection of socialism. Forms of it gave been voted for.

It's a nice way to let off some steam fwiw. To wit: since it's going to become a Singapore-style tax haven that will hurt the rest of Europe, fuck the UK.

That kind of thing.

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I get you down as pretty pessimistic lol.

I can see why you'd think that, but I'm certainly not for giving up the fight or jettisoning politics altogether. On the contrary.

People liked the manifesto in 2017. The media strategy didn't work.

The problem this time around really came down to Brexit.

It needs to be someone who can sell those policies better and come up with a proper strategy to neutralise the media, I'm not sure if that person exists within the current PLP though.

Nine times out of ten that sort of "letting off steam" comes from ppl who will be negatively affected in only the most abstract of ways, and as with the same sort of ppl tittering "lol dumb yanks, they deserve their Trump" or "haha those fucking russians, of course they love Putin" I find it callous and contemptible. There's plenty of worthy targets to take aim at, reducing things to some abstract "Britain" w/o thinking of the fact that there's actual lives that are going to be affected is, I dare say, a very brexit way of thinking.

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I mean neutralise as in "it's going to happen anyway, how do we make sure we limit the damage as much as possible?" That's reasonably uncontroversial, surely?

There's very little doubt in my mind that media coverage over a number of years affected the result, voters looked at the Labour Party and thought 'that looks like a shambles'. The fact that the Tory Party was also as much of a mess registered less because it was covered less.

A first (exasperated) reaction isn't a position, though.

I don't know how the "brexit election" narrative squares up with the bolsover result .

Is there any way that this will not be a 5 year term?

Yes. Once they've repealed the FTPA and gerrymandered the constituencies and introduced voter suppression, they can call an election whenever it most suits them.

NEW THREAD SO LOCK THIS ONE AND GO TO THAT ONE:
bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

do we need a new thread yet?

Fair enough, Daniel, I guess it's one for the private moments of irrational, cathartic exasperation.

The Continent (which I would be part of, anyway), there's people and this result means more people will suffer and anyone whose reaction to that is lols is a cunt.

I don't think anyone on here is denying the real implications Daniel, it's not so much lols either. It's more that a lot of people are thinking "a big majority of the people voted for their own people to suffer."

I don't know how the "brexit election" narrative squares up with the bolsover result .

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Did it vote leave or not in 2016?

(will move to the new one in a bit)

sorry to be clear I should say the Dennis Skinner result

We're all gonna die.

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