Didi Gregorius signed by PHI (1 year/$14 million dollars)
I had no idea that he was a free agent OR that he had such an off-year with the stick. Damn, just when it looked like the Yanks finally had a good shortstop...
Zack Cozart and Will Wilson traded to SF; cash considerations to LAA
Angels clearing payroll space for Rendon or Cole.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 02:12 (four years ago) link
He came late to the season off TJ. 1/14 is a good pillow contract tbh and he should do well on philly
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 04:02 (four years ago) link
:(
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 04:06 (four years ago) link
Can we really believe that teams 'want' to trade Mookie Betts or Kris Bryant?
Seems jockeying for salary negations, right?
― earlnash, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 04:14 (four years ago) link
Cole to Yanks for 9 years/324 million
― omar little, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 05:07 (four years ago) link
Which uh damn
― omar little, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 05:08 (four years ago) link
The luxury of not having to worry about making a mistake.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 05:31 (four years ago) link
That’s a 36 million avg. sweet damn.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 05:39 (four years ago) link
The Yankees have gotten their spending mojo back. The Boss would have certainly approved.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 07:55 (four years ago) link
I’m a Steele Walker, I kill what I eat.
― Andy K, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 12:21 (four years ago) link
can Cole have some kind of nonfatal farming accident
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 12:33 (four years ago) link
I don't think he has any farm bg, but he could start
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 12:34 (four years ago) link
Maybe he’ll injure himself carrying that contract up his steps.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 13:27 (four years ago) link
I can't begin to understand this. For a pitcher. Would have preferred re-upping Didi and Dellin, going after Ryu.
Hope he's bubble-wrapped and given an ankle bracelet / full-time chaperone
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 13:28 (four years ago) link
can't believe this news outshone the white sox signing nomar mazara
― na (NA), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 15:24 (four years ago) link
The White Sox will be hoping this changes, but Nomar Mazara's numbers have been absurdly consistent*.2016: 93 OPS+, 20 HR2017: 90 OPS+, 20 HR2018: 96 OPS+, 20 HR2019: 96 OPS+, 19 HR*not a synonym for "good"— Andrew Simon (@AndrewSimonMLB) December 11, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link
#Mets are working hard to finalize a 1-yr contract with Michael Wacha.— Joel Sherman (@Joelsherman1) December 11, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
I know money is no object to the Yankees but holy shit that contract is nuts. Cole turns 30 next year and NY doesn't exactly seem suited to his talents
― frogbs, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 21:16 (four years ago) link
Cole has been incredible two years running and i would bet he'll continue to be incredible, though of course like almost every SP he's not a sure thing (arguably the only sure things among starting pitchers over the past decade have been Scherzer and Verlander, the latter only scuffling when he was hurting a few years back iirc). the length seems crazy but the Yanks do really want a reliable ace and not many are coming along.
― omar little, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
most likely but I doubt he'll have another year quite like what he had in Houston.
obviously the contract makes sense in that the Yankees window is very much now, iirc in the next 3 or 4 years Judge, Sanchez, Torres, Severino and Betances will all be FAs. still nuts to give any pitcher that sort of money, especially giving them the opt out clause in year 5. as good as Cole is you never knew how age is gonna affect a guy
― frogbs, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
hate to tell the mets but wacha is only going to pitch 73.2 innings in 2020 before his arm explodes
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link
frogbs how is NY not suited to his talents? Do you mean because of RF? I don't have the numbers but iirc he radically improved ground ball rate these past two seasons. I imagine he'll do just fine.
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 22:10 (four years ago) link
cole's groundball rate was actually down in houston (the pirates stressed sinkers more than most) but he more than made up for it in strikeouts. his splits against lefty batters are fine and he'll be fine
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link
i'd imagine they are hoping he opts the fuck out in 5 years.
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― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 22:19 (four years ago) link
i'm mostly pissed that cole didn't use his leverage to keep his long hair/beard, because fuck that yankee crap
yet proud that the pirates could smoothly fulfill their role in the whole process
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 22:26 (four years ago) link
Keep your slovenly habits to yourself. Put on a tie. And sit up straight fer chrissakes!
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 22:43 (four years ago) link
I don’t have such strong feelings on this issue except I like the differentiation and I LOVE how much for whatever reason it bothers other ppl
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 22:45 (four years ago) link
Sources: Zack Wheeler joins Phillies on five-year deal worth more than $100 million
that's fine but if you're gonna spend that kind of money i think i'd rather spend more to get cole or strasburg
i may have underestimated the financial gap here
― mookieproof, Thursday, 12 December 2019 00:26 (four years ago) link
Jays blow their allowance on 2 years of Tanner Roark at $12 mil per
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 12 December 2019 01:08 (four years ago) link
Rendon to the Angels, 7/245
― frogbs, Thursday, 12 December 2019 03:55 (four years ago) link
that plus his HR rate which was his one actual weakness last year. though I wonder how many of those probably shouldn't have been homers
― frogbs, Thursday, 12 December 2019 03:56 (four years ago) link
kudos to texas for really trying
Rangers went into the process not wanting to go more than five years for Rendon and Scott Boras made it clear that seven years what clubs were offering— TR Sullivan (@Sullivan_Ranger) December 12, 2019
― mookieproof, Thursday, 12 December 2019 04:17 (four years ago) link
Wtf Rangers?
The value of Rendon's contract isn't much more than the one he supposedly turned down from the Nationals months ago. Still, he did well. AAV is almost the same as Mike Trout's contract!
I always thought Roark was underrated, that's not a bad signing by the Jays.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 12 December 2019 06:17 (four years ago) link
Right-hander Blake Treinen and the Los Angeles Dodgers have agreed to a one-year, $10 million deal, sources told ESPN's Jeff Passan on Wednesday.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 December 2019 12:11 (four years ago) link
Could somebody please explain to an idiot baseball fan like myself why the Indians are trading Francisco Lindor?
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 12 December 2019 12:32 (four years ago) link
For the same reason the cubs are trading Bryant
― 10,000 mani-gecs (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 December 2019 12:34 (four years ago) link
Cheap-assery
― 10,000 mani-gecs (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 December 2019 12:35 (four years ago) link
149-game-winner rick porcello to the mets (1y, $10m)
― mookieproof, Thursday, 12 December 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
scrappy brett gardner re-signs with yanks (1y, $12m)
― mookieproof, Thursday, 12 December 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, December 12, 2019 6:32 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― 10,000 mani-gecs (voodoo chili), Thursday, December 12, 2019 6:34 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― 10,000 mani-gecs (voodoo chili), Thursday, December 12, 2019 6:35 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
nope, both cases are similar. they're both free agents after 2020. both teams face the same decision:
trade their young stars now to gain other players that will be on the team for longer than a single year, plus prospects to restock their weak farm systems (well, chicago's is weak af, i don't know about cleveland)
OR
pass on making the team better in the future in order to go all in on 2020.
i don't know what kind of SS/3B prospects that either team has, but teams are especially motivated to trade young starts before their contract is over when they know they have someone rising up in the system to take their place soon.
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 December 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link
one key thing that might not be obvious to more casual fans - when lindor's contract is up at the end of 2020, he can sign for any team he wants. it's not a matter of the indians being cheap. they could offer him a bombass contract, and lindor could choose to play for the yankees for $20M more, or whatever. so this is likely the last year that lindor would ever play for the indians, regardless
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 December 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link
kris bryant isn't a UFA til 2022
― 10,000 mani-gecs (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link
they could offer him a bombass contract
we're talking about the cleveland indians here???
― 10,000 mani-gecs (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link
couldn't they also be "trading" them as a negotiation tactic for an extension/new contract
― 10,000 mani-gecs (voodoo chili), Thursday, December 12, 2019 11:05 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
pending grievance results though right?
― na (NA), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link
feels like bryant's going to be gone when his contact is up too, the cubs don't seem interested in spending real money right now and i think the grievance has led to some bad blood
― na (NA), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:10 (four years ago) link
lindor isn't a free agent until 2022 either
― mookieproof, Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:25 (four years ago) link
The Yankees committed more money to Gerrit Cole ($324M) than the Pirates have to free agents in the last 25 years ($299.5M).— Paul Hembekides (@PaulHembo) December 11, 2019
― mookieproof, Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
damn
― WmC, Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:35 (four years ago) link
― 10,000 mani-gecs (voodoo chili)
― mookieproof,
sorry, i always find fangraphs descriptions of contracts to be confusing. on lindor's page it says "Free Agent: 2021", which I assumed meant he'd be a free agent at the end of 2020. But I guess it means he'll be a FA after that season.
anyway, my silly explanation above still applies - these are young stars that are nearing the end of their contracts. the further away they are from the end of the contract, the more they're worth as trade chips.
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 December 2019 17:59 (four years ago) link
The Yankees committed more money to Gerrit Cole ($324M) than the Pirates have to free agents in the last 25 years ($299.5M).
tbf this is probably not true if both figures are denominated 2019 dollars
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link