star wars 9 grim resignation thread

Then you have three universally hated prequels.

LOL. I spend A LOT of time deep in the fandom, and this notion is . . . well, you should go to an SW con some time, is all I am saying. You would be quickly disabused of this alleged universality.

I mean, the number of late 20s - early 30s female fans out there who count Darth Maul and Padme Amidala among their favorite characters, and Revenge of the Sith as a top-2 or -3 entry, is substantial.

I refuse to grimly resign myself to that fact

Damning with faint praise. "Covenant" is to the Alien series what Scott's "Hannibal" (the movie) was to the "Silence of the Lambs" series. Just because it's sort of aware of its overheated ridiculousness doesn't make it any smarter/better.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, December 10, 2019 10:37 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's not smart! it's just very misanthropic in a way i find weirdly compelling

also features unforgettable scenes of android fingering

xp I don't know how old Fred is but there is a SERIOUS contingent of SW fans who were 5-10 years old when TPM came out, got taken to the prequels by their parents, and grew up loving them. To them, Ewan MacGregor IS Obi-Wan Kenobi.

yes! xp

wouldn't classify myself as a star wars "fan" but i love the prequels and i don't see a vast quality difference between them and the original trilogy

so that serious contingent of sw fans are otm

i dislike the prequels but my hot-take is that the phantom menace is the best movie of the 3. the second one is the worst. "I don't like the sand" my eye!

Yeah, I know I'm supposed to toe the party line but on the basis of having seen all of the post-ROTJ films precisely one time each, I have to admit that the prequels (or at least the latter two) were more entertaining and memorable than the newer sequels. Which is not, notably, a qualitative statement.

i've only seen the most recent of the new sequels (and solo) of the newer films and yes, phantom menace is better than those films

attack of the clones is sometimes my favorite bc of obi-wan's noirish clone factory investigation

I can never be mad at any movie that gave us that Ray Harryhausen monster-fight sequence.

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Cool i get to explain to my colleagues why I'm reading about fingering droids on company time good work all

the prequels are 10000x better than the force awakens but the last jedi is extremely tight y'all xp

i've only seen the most recent of the new sequels (and solo) of the newer films and yes, phantom menace is better than those films

― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, December 10, 2019 3:18 PM bookmarkflaglink

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I thought the Abrams/Johnson films were fun while I watched them but I'm continually stunned that I remember almost nothing about them aside from some of the Big Moments (and even those are a little fuzzy). I think that accounts for much of the reason why I'm not exactly excited about the new one.

Say what you will about Lucas, but he knew how to make (or facilitate) a two-hour toy commercial that stuck with you.

hmmmm I should do I "favorite Star Wars big monster" poll

The Last Jedi is the best star war

I'm not sure any of the prequels/subsequent sequels are worth a second viewing.

Challops a plenty here, someone pls bring a different side dish

I recently re-watched TLJ for the first time since it came out, and genuinely laughed at the scene where Poe pretends to have connection issues in his video chat w/Hux ("...General Hugs?"). Say what you will, that s#$% is funny

I haven't seen Caravan of Courage since elementary school and I remember that thing better than The Last Jedi tbrr.

Cool i get to explain to my colleagues why I'm reading about fingering droids on company time good work all

they're fingering recorders!

boy are they ever

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way to waste your time and money nerds

BTW: any aspect of the BBC that even knows that there were novels and comics in the '90s (or are novels and audios and comics* now), probably knows that there are a few hundred ppl who read the '90s novels at the time, and are still watching the show. The 7 million ppl who watch a new TV episode on BBC platforms in the week of transmission and never think much about it again can safely be regarded as "the other 100% of the audience."

Rian Johnson healthily seems to take this attitude even to rabid Star Wars fans, insisting that the hundreds of misspelled Last Jedi abuse replies on every tweet he makes about baseball games are a tiny proportion of the actual feedback he gets overall.


* extry extry for OL: the regular DW comic has been running unbroken since November 1964, with two caveats: a five-month break in 1978-79 (about 1/3 of the current gap between TV seasons) while it moved from TV Comic to Doctor Who Weekly; and sometimes in the Fourth Doctor era they would just draw Tom Baker's face over a Jon Pertwee face on older stories.

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(The first and second Doctors, rather than being spacemen with companions from 18th century Scotland and 25th century orbital research facilities, were Earth inventors who travelled with their two prepubescent 1950s-born English grandchildren. CANON!)

I hate the sequels, and would really like to say the prequels are better. And they are more... 'interesting'. But I've tried to rewatch them, and they are unwatchable crap.

*ponders firing up the pvmic thread*

xxpost Yeah, I know Who is much less precious about this stuff, what with all the 'timey-wimey (middle finger drifts in from the bottom of the frame)' and whatnot.

And I'm not really under any pretense that most of the people stewarding these franchises care about fan reaction that doesn't come in the form of $$$.

(I mean, the BBC ppl stewarding it aren't, bcz they don't get any of the $$$)

Attack of the Clones is up there with Woody Allen's 'Whatever Works' for me in the extremely small club of films that I'll always remember as "non-student films that were so badly made i couldnt believe i was actually seeing them in a real movie theater".

haha "Whatever Works" is so shockingly bad

Before I leave bg to c+p, the best illustration of Dr Who's attention to canon is that they destroyed Atlantis three different ways in five years. And two of them were in season finales, in successive years, written by the same two-person team. One of whom was the producer in charge of the show. But anonymously, bcz BBC policy didn't allow you to write for the show as well as working on it.

sic otm above

I think it's fair to say that the sequels and the prequels are both disappointing, but the prequels are just disappointing in a much more fascinating way. And I don't even hate the sequels, they're just...OK. TLJ has flashes of brilliance.

if this was 1985 we could be complaining about how ESB was too much of a thematic departure and ROTJ sucked

No

people did that!

I would rank AOTC above ROTJ (that's my "challop," I guess?)

due to when I came of age, my subjective stance is entirely tainted by having seen the original trilogy on VHS overly too many times. we'd have it running on a tv while playing board games until the wee hours of the morning when I was in high school at a friend's place

completely ruined my ability to judge anything star wars-related through any lens other than that of inflated cultural importance and locked the aesthetic into a particular set of characters and stylistic choices

my stylist had Star Wars playing (on VHS) during my last haircut, I wasn't there very long but I was taking note that the whole middle part of the movie, between the somewhat emotional beginning and the action-packed end, is just a lot of hijinks and one-liners.

TLJ has flashes of brilliance.

In my TLJ rewatch, I noted how some of the movie is truly bad -- just bad dialogue, clumsy plotting, etc. -- but it also has these scattered moments of creativity and excitement where you get a jolt: This really works.

I guess that's how I responded in the theater, too... I remember being kind of bored for the initial stretch; but then when Leia did her Mary Poppins thing, I sat straight up -- like, "Oh, this is gonna be that kind of movie...."

lol Fred that is *literally exactly what happened*

http://www.acriticalhit.com/fans-react-empire-strikes-back-1980/

make sure you click through and read the piece David Gerrold wrote for STARLOG. Its criticism after criticism.

My hot take is that I watched the original again a few years back with my kid and my reaction was, it's nicely nostalgic to see this stuff again but this movie kind of sucks, and I'll bet if I ever watched Empire Strikes Back or Return of the Jedi again, I'd feel the same way, which is why I won't.