Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

Stern brings out the best in people.

If I recall correctly, she said almost that exact same thing in her book about the 2016 election, that Sanders kept trying to outdo her by offering wild, impossible, immature promises. She's the worst.

Yeah, she quoted the whole FB meme about Sanders promising ponies.

hello folks

https://imgur.com/3FSi8Ld.jpg

what the

t/s: smooth bernie vs smooth hillary

xps - that looks to me like perhaps it merges an image of HRC with Nancy Pelosi, but whatever it is, it is not an image of any person now living or dead.

"nobody likes him"

she's a Heather

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/479097-clinton-weighs-in-on-sanders-nobody-likes-him-nobody-wants-to-work-with-him

Ugh

the war has begun, right on time w/ BS stuck in the Senate for weeks

mount up and ride toward the sound of the guns

"I won't campaign for him" -> very considerate, actually

to be fair, if i spent my life in politics and ran for president with the high level support and resources she had -- and then lost to trump, i would be a bitter shell of myself too

something about her inspires sympathy, i don't know. like everyone in the world learned about the details of her husband's infidelity, then she got dragged through that satanic 2016 election --with a large portion of the electorate coming to believe she was into ritual sacrifice or whatever pizzagate said -- these things are hard

and she bears it all with like, such a grim sense of humor, only occasionally letting on how much seething hatred she has for the world.

i'd rather read a novel about her than bernie, i'll say that.

so why do we care what Clinton thinks?

bc she is a metaphor of a dying empire

might be a prelude of things to come from Dem establishment folks if Bernie manages to get the nomination

I mean, she's not an unimportant figure. Lots of people preferred Sanders but still supported and respected Clinton.

yeah in the same way i prefer socialism but support and respect its murderous alternative

This “bernie is sexist” meme could sink him honestly. It doesn’t have to be coherent—the idea is just to tag someone with a label that would-be supporters would to distance themselves from, create an “ick” factor. If he wins the nomination and party bigshots don’t campaign for him on this ground, it will definitely suppress turnout. How much i can’t say

imagine the unanimously warm reception she'd get at a Sanders rally

Alfred, don't be naïve. This hit is Fort Sumter.

The most hilarious thing about this discussion is that it comes just as Bernie apologized for an attack on Biden by a surrogate in the Guardian. If the centrists attack, it's not because Clinton has sent the secret centrist cabal signal, it's because they can give as good as they receive, and attacks would anyway intensify as the campaign heats up.

waht

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/479084-sanders-apologizes-to-biden-for-supporters-op-ed

Alfred, don't be naïve. This hit is Fort Sumter.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius),

Don't be melodramatic.

xp wtf does this have to do w hrc comments

Biden is Hillary Clinton in drag IIRC

We can still think the "sexist" tag is unfair and that it is weirdly gross for Clinton, not even a candidate at this point, obsessively railing against Sanders in a bizarrely personal way over the last few years. Not sure what it proves that Teachout wrote a piece on Biden that essentially says what the ILE "senator from Citibank" thread says and Sanders still apologized for it. xps

*to obsessively rail

x-post: Oh, I'm just laughing at the Fort Sumter comparisons and stuff like that. Poor innocent little Bernie, being dastardly attacked while he is away doing his duty. As if this isn't absolutely par for the course in any primary.

no it's not remotely "par for the course," this isn't standard fare late-primary surrogate warfare

This is the (still) face of the DNC throwing "nobody likes him" and "misogynist" bombs at the arguable frontrunner in an effort to sink his campaign, prior even to Iowa

Hillary Clinton is pretty clearly not the face of the DNC, Sanders is pretty clearly not the frontrunner, and this is pretty clearly par for the course.

I might not be American but I'm older than twelve

ok I'll play: who is the face of the DNC, if not the prior party nominee with the highest name recognition? I missed it, did theye revoke her card?

yeah this is a step beyond par for the course. I'm normally an HRC defender but jesus christ this is not helpful and she should go away for a while.

"might be a prelude of things to come from Dem establishment folks if Bernie manages to get the nomination"

I'd hate to think they'd sacrifice a chance at the WH and allow Trump to win again but WTF I constantly think people are better than they actually are

Fred to your second point, you are being disingenuous or really again just have no idea what you're talking about

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/caucus/2020/01/10/iowa-caucuses-2020-iowa-poll-bernie-sanders-first-place/4427736002/

increasringly leaning toward "str8 troll" theory in that other thread

If you look at the whole race, instead of cherry-picking a single poll, Biden is pretty clearly the frontrunner: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

And Tom Perez is the face of the DNC. Clinton is the last nominee, no need to call her anything else.

The idea that I'm being disingenuous or a troll for stating something really kinda basic mostly shows how far away from reality the Sanders discourse can be.

I mean, all she had to say was a variation on "Donald Trump is an existential threat, and while Bernie isn't my candidate, I'll campaign for him should he win the primary. "

Fred stop it, I wrote "arguably" which it is because a) I referred particularly to Iowa and b) I knew you'd make it an argument

"Tom Perez is the face of the DNC"

lol

If one in one hundred Americans know who Tom Perez is I'll eat Fred's shoes.

Sure, but you could say the same about the DNC anyway, so...

if after thousands of these tussles you still haven't registered "DNC" as shorthand for "broader Dem establishment" I don't know what to tell you

It's still crap

if after thousands of these tussles you still haven't registered "DNC" as shorthand for "broader Dem establishment" I don't know what to tell you

Yes; it's not a set of initials that refers to an actual thing - it's a trigger word, like "neoliberal."

Oh, great.