feelin pretty doomy abt all the runaway effect stuff after reading New York 2140 a couple months back
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 6 December 2019 19:52 (four years ago) link
And now comes a new concern: These tipping points can form a cascade, with each one triggering others, creating an irreversible shift to a hotter world.
I thought this has always been a concern?
― 💠 (crüt), Saturday, 7 December 2019 20:37 (four years ago) link
They have to pretend it is 'new' for it to be covered by the 'news'.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 7 December 2019 20:48 (four years ago) link
'Always' since the 1970s or so.
Tipping points were the whole rationale behind the 2° C target (which we're going to accelerate past in my lifetime).
― полезный инструмент (Sanpaku), Saturday, 7 December 2019 23:19 (four years ago) link
The Arctic may have just crossed a key threshold, per @NOAA - permafrost is melting and releasing more than a billion tons of carbon into the atmosphere. By @afreedma https://t.co/C5fclAw6gc— Juliet Eilperin (@eilperin) December 10, 2019
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 19:31 (four years ago) link
just so everyone knows: i believe this is a brand new problem that has never been mentioned
About 50 mentions on this thread alone. But passing from sink to source is a milestone.
― полезный инструмент (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 21:43 (four years ago) link
you know, i just would have appreciated a warning on this happening, though. why didn't anyone look into this before? we could have stopped it from happening had we known!
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link
I thought the permafrost thing involved methane clathrates, not carbon?
― Scorsese runs afoul of the Irishman (Leee), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 22:25 (four years ago) link
Clathrates are the seabed natural carbon source. Clathrates require higher pressure for stability.
Permafrost outgasses mostly CO2, some methane.
― полезный инструмент (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 23:35 (four years ago) link
Ah! Seabed different from permafrost, obviously. Nothing to see here (here being my brain).
― Scorsese runs afoul of the Irishman (Leee), Tuesday, 10 December 2019 23:59 (four years ago) link
I mean, it's all coming out, we're all going to die hellishly
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 06:02 (four years ago) link
Calthrates are mostly held in oceanic sediment but there are clathrates in sedimentary rocks under permafrost too
― Wee Bloabby (NickB), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 06:16 (four years ago) link
https://aceee.org/press/2019/12/trump-administration-defies-2007-0
WASHINGTON (Dec. 20, 2019) – The Trump administration announced today it will block energy-saving standards scheduled to go into effect January 1 for the hundreds of millions of everyday light bulbs sold in the United States every year, which defies a bipartisan 2007 law passed by Congress. The action will increase consumer utility bills and worsen the carbon pollution driving climate change.In its quest to tie U.S. families and businesses to energy-wasting incandescent bulbs that usually burn out within a year, the Trump Department of Energy (DOE) issued notice that it will publish in the Federal Register a “final determination” saying it does not believe it needs to proceed with bulb energy efficiency improvements envisioned under the law signed by President Bush 12 years ago. The decision could cost U.S. consumers an extra $14 billion on annual energy bills and create the need to generate an additional 30 large (500 MW) power plants’ worth of electricity every year.“The Trump administration just thumbed its nose at Congress, America’s families and businesses, and the environment,” said Noah Horowitz, director of the Natural Resources Defense Council’s (NRDC) Center for Energy Efficiency Standards. “This law should have saved U.S. households more than $100 annually, on average, and avoided 38 million additional tons of climate-warming carbon dioxide pollution every year. NRDC will be exploring every option, including legal action, to fight this illegal rollback.”
In its quest to tie U.S. families and businesses to energy-wasting incandescent bulbs that usually burn out within a year, the Trump Department of Energy (DOE) issued notice that it will publish in the Federal Register a “final determination” saying it does not believe it needs to proceed with bulb energy efficiency improvements envisioned under the law signed by President Bush 12 years ago. The decision could cost U.S. consumers an extra $14 billion on annual energy bills and create the need to generate an additional 30 large (500 MW) power plants’ worth of electricity every year.
“The Trump administration just thumbed its nose at Congress, America’s families and businesses, and the environment,” said Noah Horowitz, director of the Natural Resources Defense Council’s (NRDC) Center for Energy Efficiency Standards. “This law should have saved U.S. households more than $100 annually, on average, and avoided 38 million additional tons of climate-warming carbon dioxide pollution every year. NRDC will be exploring every option, including legal action, to fight this illegal rollback.”
which was the stronger influence here:
- desire to reverse anything that obama supported, even if it was passed under the bush administration in 2007- compulsion to take any possible action to make climate change worse- he doesn't like the color of LED lighting and doesn't know about the more "natural" tinted options
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 20 December 2019 20:27 (four years ago) link
We'll still have coal rollers and zealots for incandescent lighting at 3 and 4 °C.
― raisin d'etre (Sanpaku), Friday, 20 December 2019 20:51 (four years ago) link
It's the necessity of doggedly maintaining the pretense that climate change is a hoax and non-existent, and taking every measure consistent with that view. It is imperative for Trump to project his complete confidence that wasting energy is of no consequence and consumers should never be asked to limit their choices in any way.
If it were in Trump's power to bring back leaded gasoline, he would try it.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 20 December 2019 21:46 (four years ago) link
the necessity of doggedly maintaining the pretense that climate change is a hoax
Conservative acquaintance of mine posted today that we're being 'alarmist' about the fires in Australia, and offered as proof some bullshit from "cfact.org," which five seconds of googling will tell you is climate change denial funded by Koch Industries.
So there is a huge fear that they're being forced into a green new deal by people who might profit from it, but no concern that these blogs promoting 'a free-market approach to environmental issues' are oil company propaganda.
It's like: who should I believe about smoking, RJ Reynolds Corp. or the American Medical Association? Well, the AMA is probably just trying to sell me Nicorette gum, so I'll just stick to my two pack a day habit, thanks.
― A perfect transcript of a routine post (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:11 (four years ago) link
It's like: who should I believe about smoking, RJ Reynolds Corp. or the American Medical Association?
i'm a slow motion skipping record in this thread, but there is a really strong connection between the disinformation campaigns waged by tobacco and energy industries - similar tactics, and many of the very same people doing it. that was true at the very beginning, and even to this day: https://www.desmog.co.uk/2019/02/19/how-tobacco-and-fossil-fuel-companies-fund-disinformation-campaigns-around-world
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:50 (four years ago) link
on the weekends, some of them also dispute that concussions are an actual problem in american football
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:53 (four years ago) link
sorry to divert to a david berman thing but i always imagine (speculatively) his father to have held some sort of role in all that shit.
[10 seconds of googling later]
yep
Richard B. Berman (born 1942) is an American lawyer, public relations executive, and former lobbyist.[1] Through his public affairs firm, Berman and Company, he runs several industry-funded non-profit organizations such as the Center for Consumer Freedom,[2] the Center for Union Facts, and the Employment Policies Institute.[3] His organizations have run numerous media campaigns concerning obesity, soda taxation, smoking, cruelty to animals, mad cow disease, taxes, the national debt, drinking and driving, as well as the minimum wage. Through the courts and media campaigns, his company challenges regulations from consumer, safety and environmental groups.[4][5][6][7]
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:59 (four years ago) link
maybe that wasn't speculation, maybe that was just me forgetting that i used to knew that. anyway. it's bizarre that people fall for this bullshit, not in one particular info campaign but across so many different topics and generations of fools (and selfish bastards)! and that in the background there's these dipshits running the show in half empty best western conference rooms near every international airport. and yet they've already wildly succeeded! in order for oil companies to keep running iran for another 25 years, the CIA and MI6 had to instigate a coup and install a puppet. in order for oil companies to protect their industry from climate change regulation for 32 years (since 1988/hansen), all they had to do was shave off a cut of their profits to fund a disinformation industry, the discredited "research" and the distribution network (bullshit "journals" and scientific publications, conferences, think tanks, foundations) to give the whole thing a stage flat neighborhood feel convincing enough to pass on conservative television and radio (it helps to work with other actors). and again - examine any of this close up and you just keep running into the dumbest things possible, and yet no one knows what to do about it, and it keeps working
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 January 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link
i mean, just imagine working on a hyper-conservative bloodsucking campaign to protect the alcohol's right to advertise to minors. then you name your organization "Center for Union Facts", because it doesn't even matter, does it. then some dude's out there listening to the radio and hears an ad by a serious sounding actor who says that you have to vote no on Prop 14 because it's going to destroy jobs in the biggest industry in the tri-state area, "paid for by the Center for Union Facts". doot doot doot, 2 months later in the voting booth, "hmm prop 14 is bad for jobs, right? a union said that i think", doot doot doot
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 January 2020 21:25 (four years ago) link
bbbut the website is called CFact! It's got facts right in the name, don't you SEE?
― A perfect transcript of a routine post (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 9 January 2020 21:28 (four years ago) link
They're National SOCIALISTS so Commies are Nazis do you see!!?
― Camina Burana Drummer (Leee), Thursday, 9 January 2020 21:29 (four years ago) link
Bother me tomorrow, today I'll buy no sorrowsDoot, doot, doot, looking out my back door
vote no on prop 14
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 January 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link
“I’m a big believer in that word, the environment,” he said. “I’m a big believer, but I want clean air and I want clean water, I also want jobs, though. I don’t want to close up our industry because somebody said, you know, ‘you have to go with wind’ or ‘you have to go with something else.’ It’s not going to be able to have the capacity to do what we have to do.”
greatest. president. EVER!
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 January 2020 03:14 (four years ago) link
truly, we did not get the president we needed, we got the president we deserved
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 January 2020 03:15 (four years ago) link
all they had to do was shave off a cut of their profits to fund a disinformation industry
bingo! this means they could fund a few hundred relatively talented Moral Monsters (tm) to come to work each day of their lives and figure out how to get millions of people to swallow whatever pack of lies were most useful to their employers, in exchange for a nice suburban home, benefits, good schools for their kids, and a clean, safe work environment.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 10 January 2020 03:37 (four years ago) link
In a move that will resound across the world of energy investing, BlackRock, the world’s largest asset manager, this week warned of a “fundamental reshaping of finance” as the impacts of climate change become better understood. BlackRock CEO Larry Fink said in an open letter that his company will end support for thermal coal, screen fossil fuel investments more closely, and redesign its own investment approach to put sustainability at its core. As part of the shift, BlackRock will exit investments it decides have a high-sustainability-related risk.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/blackrock-sends-huge-warning-shot-at-companies-ignoring-climate-risk
― The Squalls Of Hate (sleeve), Friday, 17 January 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link
how many new 'hottest years' have we had in the last 40? a lot
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/01/2019-was-2nd-hottest-year-record-nasa-and-noaa-say/604939/
― mookieproof, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:04 (four years ago) link
Signing on to the Trillion Tree initiative was basically the cost of admission for the global elite at this year’s World Economic Forum (well, that plus tens of thousands of dollars for the badge). In fact, tree planting was the rare issue on which even Jane Goodall and Donald Trump could get on the same page at Davos.Meanwhile, Axios revealed last week that Congressman Bruce Westerman, an Arkansas Republican, is working on a bill dubbed the Trillion Trees Act that would set a national target for tree planting (although apparently it won’t be—and almost certainly couldn’t be—a literal trillion).It’s great that trees are having a moment. Nations absolutely should plant and protect as many as possible—to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, provide habitat for animals, and restore fragile ecosystems.“Trees are an important, very visible, and very socializable answer,” says Roger Aines, who leads Lawrence Livermore National Lab’s Carbon Initiative, a research program on carbon dioxide removal.But it’s also a limited and unreliable way of addressing climate change. We have a terrible track record on carrying out reforestation efforts to date. We’d have to plant and protect a massive number of trees for decades to offset even a fraction of global emissions. And years of efforts can be nullified by droughts, wildfires, disease, or deforestation elsewhere.Perhaps the biggest risk is that the appeal of natural-sounding solutions can delude us into thinking we’re taking more meaningful action than we really are. It “invites people to view tree planting as a substitute” for the sweeping changes required to prevent greenhouse-gas emissions from reaching the atmosphere in the first place, says Jane Flegal, a member of the adjunct faculty at Arizona State University’s School for the Future of Innovation in Society.
Meanwhile, Axios revealed last week that Congressman Bruce Westerman, an Arkansas Republican, is working on a bill dubbed the Trillion Trees Act that would set a national target for tree planting (although apparently it won’t be—and almost certainly couldn’t be—a literal trillion).
It’s great that trees are having a moment. Nations absolutely should plant and protect as many as possible—to absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, provide habitat for animals, and restore fragile ecosystems.
“Trees are an important, very visible, and very socializable answer,” says Roger Aines, who leads Lawrence Livermore National Lab’s Carbon Initiative, a research program on carbon dioxide removal.
But it’s also a limited and unreliable way of addressing climate change. We have a terrible track record on carrying out reforestation efforts to date. We’d have to plant and protect a massive number of trees for decades to offset even a fraction of global emissions. And years of efforts can be nullified by droughts, wildfires, disease, or deforestation elsewhere.
Perhaps the biggest risk is that the appeal of natural-sounding solutions can delude us into thinking we’re taking more meaningful action than we really are. It “invites people to view tree planting as a substitute” for the sweeping changes required to prevent greenhouse-gas emissions from reaching the atmosphere in the first place, says Jane Flegal, a member of the adjunct faculty at Arizona State University’s School for the Future of Innovation in Society.
...
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615102/tree-planting-is-a-great-idea-that-could-become-a-dangerous-climate-distraction/
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:29 (four years ago) link
oops, i was trying to use those ellipses inside the quote to indicate there's more to the article. not to throw shade on it, as its use outside of the quote box signifies
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:30 (four years ago) link
FP’d you for that. appalling
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:48 (four years ago) link
Throwing shade at trees, how could you.
― Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link
what have trees ever done for me?
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:57 (four years ago) link
Antarctica just hit 65 F, its warmest temperature ever recorded
― mookieproof, Friday, 7 February 2020 17:28 (four years ago) link
It's pretty remarkable that, since 1990, when the climate crisis became clear, federal energy R&D -- supposedly the bipartisan policy everyone agrees on -- is DOWN. That says more about US political will than all the far-off targets in the world. https://t.co/bYRaBpkP2q pic.twitter.com/2R1TYKvPtm— David Roberts (@drvox) February 25, 2020
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 19:19 (four years ago) link
This was maybe the most staggering thing I learned on my Shell trip. When these companies talk about going carbon neutral, that means selling off their oil wells, probably to gangsters https://t.co/UMVKbWd793 pic.twitter.com/32HlHaTiE3— Malcolm Harris (@BigMeanInternet) March 3, 2020
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 19:02 (four years ago) link
mad max: the prequel
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 19:16 (four years ago) link
D-
https://time.com/5598313/jo-biden-climate-change-report-card/
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 March 2020 03:12 (four years ago) link
starting to think that in a weird way, this might be our best (only?) opportunity to get back on a decent track for emissions reductions. i assume there will be a significant emissions dip this year. we're pouring trillions back into the economy, which is another way of saying we're re-building portions of the economy. i don't think there's a good chance in the United States, politically, but at least there is some chance that the priority would be making sure that the part of the economy that is rebuilt is far greener than before.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:06 (four years ago) link
unless global dimming turns out to be a real issue and lower emissions reduces it and then we’re even more fucked haha oh god i’m gonna lie down
― a struggle to make meat-snacking fit (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link
McKibben, New Yorker (March 20)
One of the best chances to make some positive use of the coronavirus pandemic may be passing swiftly. As the economy craters, big corporations are in need of government assistance, and, on Capitol Hill, the sound of half a trillion dollars in relief money is bringing out the lobbyists. On Thursday afternoon, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat of Rhode Island, described the scene as a “trough” and mentioned a quote from a lobbyist in The Hill: “Everybody’s asking for something and those that aren’t asking for something only aren’t because they don’t know how.” Whitehouse added, “I fear that enviros don’t know how to ask, because, so far in this scrum, we haven’t heard much from them.”
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 28 March 2020 01:34 (four years ago) link
The drop in global GHG emissions in 2020 is utterly unprecedented. (Great chart from @AxiosVisuals.) https://t.co/K02H7SVZXv pic.twitter.com/3U1clZB5FZ— David Roberts (@drvox) May 2, 2020
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Saturday, 2 May 2020 00:19 (three years ago) link
Already the rainiest May in Chicago history ... for the third year in a row.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 00:31 (three years ago) link
it has been insane in Wisconsin - honestly thought our basement was gonna flood. Half my yard was underwater
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 01:18 (three years ago) link
do not worry - god has made a covenant with the people to earth to never again destroy them with a great flood
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 03:30 (three years ago) link
That seems like a peculiarly narrow covenant. I'd like to know who drew up the original papers on that and how they were getting paid.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 03:40 (three years ago) link
one of them had complete leverage in the negotiations, i'd guess
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 04:01 (three years ago) link
Omnipresent Leverage is the name of my new band
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 04:11 (three years ago) link