and I once again ritually FP'd myself for helping stoke this
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 December 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
"now imagine you were a proletarian, and the bourgeoisie are appropriating the surplus value you create"
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 5 December 2019 17:44 (four years ago) link
read that as "hardcore henry nerds"
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
Obama is from the Midwest & he only had 1 serious opponent in the 2008 primaries. It’s not rocket science. Nate Silver is otm about IA/NH imo.
― 💠 (crüt), Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:21 (four years ago) link
Fred and Mordy's nonstop po-faced posts and concern trolls in this thread are almost amusing.
― Mordy, Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link
something something idpol
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
i thought about that but it's such a long way around to get there - if bernie were leading polls in iowa i understand why berners might feel affronted by the idea that iowa isn't a good state to start with but buttigieg is leading who everyone on ilx afaict thinks is an idiot so why should ppl like virgil, xyzzy, hurting whoever care about the argument that iowa is a bad state to start primaries in
― Mordy, Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
Bernie's leading in NH though I think
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:43 (four years ago) link
according to rcp buttigieg is leading in both
― Mordy, Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
probably because they're averaging in that St. Anselm poll that has Buttigieg up by 10. The others have Bernie ahead.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
even so "bernie is leading in one of these two states if you ignore one of the polls therefore nate silver is an asshole for suggesting IA and NH aren't the best states for primaries" is some real genius brain level shit
― Mordy, Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
IA & NH are terrible primary states for Dems AND Nate Silver is an asshole
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link
what are we arguing about
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 December 2019 19:02 (four years ago) link
otm
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 December 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
buttigieg is leading who everyone on ilx afaict thinks is an idiot
I do not think Buttigeig is an idiot. Far from it. He is a fairly bright young man. But I do think he is deliberately taking rhetorically vague or meaningless positions that pander to voters who are under-informed, provincial, or are themselves idiotic.
Additionally, he is making some rookie mistakes related to his complete lack of experience in running a national campaign or even a statewide campaign. He may learn enough in the next several months to make up for this deficiency, if he were to become the nominee. Or he may not.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 5 December 2019 19:23 (four years ago) link
buttigeig is going nowhere. he can maybe win iowa or new hampshire - too far out to tell - but as i mentioned above he has no non-white support. this is honestly biden's to lose, still.
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 5 December 2019 19:59 (four years ago) link
Yeah I didn’t think it was possible for any of the legit candidates to fall below Biden in my estimation but here we are
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 5 December 2019 20:44 (four years ago) link
shit wrong thread
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 5 December 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link
"why should ppl like virgil, xyzzy, hurting whoever care about the argument that iowa is a bad state to start primaries in"
The head of the Danish film critics association is using what Nate Silver is saying to advance the opinion that Sanders isn't doing well. That tweet (and others like it) are showing he is full of it. You were going about how Corbyn is pretty much the British Trump so I'd expect it would be difficult for you to keep up.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 09:10 (four years ago) link
I'm not head of the Danish film critics association yet. She is my flatmate.
Also, I thought this board agreed that no matter what happens we don't drag peoples personal lives into beef on the board?
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 10:49 (four years ago) link
Anyways, comrade alphabet explains it quite well never the less. Nate Silver says Sanders isn't doing so well, so he has to be discredited. That's it, basically. That the back and forth in question mostly shows virgil is wrong and silver is right, that's unfortunate, but as you can see it's not a problem for the already converted. Naysayers has to be discredited, no matter what.
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 11:02 (four years ago) link
Lol that was a joke. You are fairly open about your film writing on here.
And no Virgil was not proved wrong. And again, it's just one of many howlers from Nate as pundit. So you relying on him for your view on Sanders is funny but not surprising.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 11:13 (four years ago) link
Difficult to see Pete doing well in SC. Confused about direction the thread has taken.
― anvil, Friday, 6 December 2019 11:16 (four years ago) link
It's just not okay to make jokes out of other posters personal lives, how fucking hard is that to comprehend?
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 11:37 (four years ago) link
Seriously, it's like discussing with a toddler.
And that joke would be out of bounds if you actually were three years old, btw. Those are the rules.
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 11:38 (four years ago) link
Seriously you shouldn't be talking about people's ability to comprehend anything.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 11:52 (four years ago) link
both of you should stop
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 6 December 2019 12:29 (four years ago) link
i still think i should get mod powers bc i would put a swift end to this
― peloton for the painfully alone (m bison), Friday, 6 December 2019 12:38 (four years ago) link
so anyway bernie is doing p good
to get back on track
This is a beautiful example of listening to skeptical people, of sticking to your guns but treating people who aren’t convinced yet with dignity. We need more of this. (22 minutes in) https://t.co/97J8dpoMxs— €MP€ROR X (@emperorx) December 6, 2019
― Simon H., Friday, 6 December 2019 12:40 (four years ago) link
I'm sorry, I honestly feel like I have my hands clear here. I literally blocked him, took myself out of the equation, and he kept on shitting on me behind my back. How can it get any clearer, that this is not a 'both sides' thing, this is him continually being a piece of shit. Anyone want a fight to stop? Don't begin to complain when the fight spins out of control, clamp down on the shitty behaviour even if the other side isn't responding.
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 12:55 (four years ago) link
Anyways, the data is clear, Sanders is losing. So there. How to turn that around?
― Frederik B, Friday, 6 December 2019 12:56 (four years ago) link
tbc maybe neither you nor fred should be opining on american politics bc this is some weak shit. nate thinking sanders isn't doing well (btw nate is a data scientist with one of the better track records in analyzing polling so maybe he doesn't have personal animus here?) should not become an excuse to try and discredit him, but even if it were (yr thinking here indicates really pathetic political inclinations but fine whatever) bringing in totally unrelated opinions as like "wow another howler" esp when you hardly understand the issue he's discussing (could you even find IA or NH on a map I wonder) is dumb af. you might've noticed everyone wondering why the discussion *you* brought up was relevant to this thread. that's bc they're all better educated on american politics than you, but you apparently think "lol nate is dumb he thinks iowa is white" is a discrediting opinion or something.
― Mordy, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:00 (four years ago) link
and just tbc i never said corby is the british trump, i said that just like trump supporters are able to explain away his bigoted comments and associations corbyn supporters can do the same for his antisemitic ones bc my point was that idiot partisans never have any trouble excusing bigotry on their own side while condemning it on another's. i have seen no indication that you have anything intelligible to say beyond rah-rahing for your own team which makes sense why unrelated nate comments would be inexcusable blunders in yr eyes bc for you it's all about prosecuting some narrow political inclination on a message board. just real poor shit from you and i already have low expectations so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― Mordy, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link
I'm hesitant to rely on Nate Silver as an authority not because he has personal animus against Bernie (though he might) but because he's wrong a lot
― Simon H., Friday, 6 December 2019 13:04 (four years ago) link
he was still the most right mainstream pundit on the 2016 election tho
― Mordy, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:04 (four years ago) link
Howling @ "honestly feel like I have my hands clear here" fkn hell this is great fiction. And how many times have you thrown abuse around? It's no biggie for me, but you're hardly innocent. Take the heat back, or if you don't want to see it block me.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:06 (four years ago) link
the bar is extremely low
― Simon H., Friday, 6 December 2019 13:08 (four years ago) link
everyone was working with the same flawed polling data but he saw the flaws in it early and was warning about them for months. i think he gave trump something like 33% chance to win the day before the election. following nate was the only reason i wasn't shocked when the results came in.
― Mordy, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:10 (four years ago) link
Mordy yeah, but he's really constantly wrong whenever he doesn't have a big chart of data and three paragraphs of wonky methodological chitchat alongside him, i.e. whenever he acts as "pundit." he has really blatant center-right blinders that lead him to e.g. constantly pick klobuchar as most likely to succeed, and in such cases the data falls away and it's a lot of vague and/or gabbnebby statements about which sectors of the electorate they're supposedly gonna unite, which is no better or worse than any other pundit.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:10 (four years ago) link
hey can we please get this clusterfuck back on topic with an in-depth discussion of bernie's botox regime and whether he's succumbing to pressure to become 'smooth bernie' irl
https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/bernie-botox-736x475.jpg
― "Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:11 (four years ago) link
"and just tbc i never said corby is the british trump, i said that just like trump supporters are able to explain away his bigoted comments and associations corbyn supporters can do the same for his antisemitic ones bc my point was that idiot partisans never have any trouble excusing bigotry on their own side while condemning it on another's."
This issue has been thoroughly discussed at every angle on ilx. Openly displaying your ignorance of those discussions to barge in like you did doesn't help your cause here.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:11 (four years ago) link
bg otm, what that forehead do?!
― Simon H., Friday, 6 December 2019 13:13 (four years ago) link
"i think he gave trump something like 33% chance to win the day before the election."
So he was still wrong.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:14 (four years ago) link
oh no someone has an opinion you don't like about a candidate you adore stfu dork
constantly pick klobuchar as most likely to succeed
iirc (but you might've seen posts i haven't) the argument there was that in a general she'd be formidable bc she's a dem that has overperformed dem numbers in a swing/lean red state? not that she'd be a shoe in for the primary? but i'd be interested to see otherwise if i'm wrong.
― Mordy, Friday, 6 December 2019 13:15 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ7SK3-WoAYwbCg?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
― "Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link
bizarro otm
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:17 (four years ago) link
this is the new rolling skincare thread
it'd be an improvement
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ7UQAsXkAADBtx?format=jpg&name=medium
― "Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 December 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link