If you actively dislike Creedence Clearwater Revival, then I can never respect anything you have to say about anything.

"Pagan Baby" also such a killer riff, underrated non-single.

picked up a copy of Chronicle Volume 2 on CD at the used bookstore this weekend, thanks to this thread

That second volume led to my appreciation of CCR.

1972 is a hazy memory, but I would swear I remember my local top 40 station playing “Molina” a bit. It was never a single in the US though. I really like everything on Pendulum except “Rude Awakening,” but one person’s “overtly psychedelic” is another’s clanking and banging for 6 minutes to fill out the album. “Pagan Baby” is amazing.

"I dunno, PAs had come a very long way by ‘77, and a number of bands designed, developed, and lugged around their own PAs as a means of avoiding being stuck with inadequate house systems. It seems weird that Zep either a) didn’t use their own system, or b) that they designed and used a crappy one."

ehh, i'm not a gear-head, i've just heard lots of stadium rock boots, and the performances tend to be pretty crap on all of them. if there was a band in '77 that was playing absolutely top-notch balls-out rock in stadiums (which is something that's absolutely completely doable today), i'd think maybe it was just the drugs, but as i haven't heard such a thing i'm figuring there were unique challenges.

"But apart from maybe ‘68-‘69, Zep just wasn’t a great live act. They’d have great moments, but then ruin everything with 90 minutes of “LOOK AT THIS VIOLIN BOW.” It’s telling that How The West Was Won is compiled from multiple shows, sometimes within a single song (“Stairway” alone has bits from three shows). They couldn’t find one Zep show that was decent from beginning to end?

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)"

i'd argue that zep were inherently (even in '68-'69) _inconsistent_ - they took chances, they fluffed, and the live stuff (as has been exhaustively chronicled by eddie edwards) is edited to leave out the stuff they fluffed. an unedited release of that stuff, were it possible (the bbc stuff is edited for copyright reasons - they had a predilection for launching into blues songs and not crediting the original authors, and have paid out enough on those grounds that they're pretty careful), would still be an all-time live album, at minimum on par with "live at leeds". i'd also argue that zep were operating on an extremely high functional level as a live band through the end of '72 at least... over the course of '73 robert plant proceeded to completely blow out his voice, and it wasn't until after zep was a done deal that he learned to adapt and deal with what he lost. "how the west was won" was recorded towards the tail end of the '73 shows. you can complain about the violin bow stuff all you like but i was listening the offenburg "dazed" last night and that is absolutely a compendium of "heavy rock", finding room for both hendrix's "machine gun" and holst's "mars"

Semi-related, I bought the new box that has as much as was releasable of all four Band of Gypsys shows and you can really hear them feeling their way into and through the material - the first set on Night 1, the songs are a lot shorter, on Night 2 there's a real feeling that they've gelled as a band and everyone is more confident, hitting harder, stretching out more, and they're having fun with old songs like "Wild Thing" and "Purple Haze" not out of nervousness or a need to win the crowd over, but just for the hell of it.

I find myself inexplicably humming "Molina" as much as any of their hits.

ehh, i'm not a gear-head, i've just heard lots of stadium rock boots, and the performances tend to be pretty crap on all of them. if there was a band in '77 that was playing absolutely top-notch balls-out rock in stadiums (which is something that's absolutely completely doable today), i'd think maybe it was just the drugs, but as i haven't heard such a thing i'm figuring there were unique challenges.

you can complain about the violin bow stuff all you like but i was listening the offenburg "dazed" last night and that is absolutely a compendium of "heavy rock", finding room for both hendrix's "machine gun" and holst's "mars"

"There are Who boots from ‘75-‘76 and Floyd boots from ‘77 that are crystal clear. Granted, much of that has to do with where the taper was sitting, but those two bands (Floyd especially) pioneered large PAs that also delivered clarity."

I'm not talking sound quality or how well the audience could hear them, I mean the extent to which they could hear each _other_. Which neither Pink Floyd in '77 or the Who, well, probably ever, could.

"My favorite “Dazed” — in fact, my favorite Led Zeppelin performance/moment — is the 1969 Supershow dealie. But for me, when Page gets too quotey, and loses focus (sometimes simultaneously), I lose interest. There seem to be more of those moments in the lengthier “Dazed”s.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)"

To me the Supershow Dazed is just painful... because of the cut. God knows how long they went on for or how good it might have been. I rightly wouldn't mind another ten minutes or so, given that even by '69 standards they're playing shit-hot.

There's a certain overlap between his quoting and losing focus, but it's not 1:1. Offenburg to me is less "hey let's quote some other songs" and more the band attacking them with the same _transformational_ approach they went after all those blues songs with. Kind of along the lines of the "White Summer/Black Mountain Side" from Montreux '70 - yeah obviously he's ripping off Jansch, but there's so much individual flair to what he's doing that I can't rightly get terribly fussed over it.

I'm not talking sound quality or how well the audience could hear them, I mean the extent to which they could hear each _other_. Which neither Pink Floyd in '77 or the Who, well, probably ever, could.

Man, I was watching one of those rig rundown videos, and apparently Angus Young doesn't use in-ear monitors, so they just had a wall of amps at full blast across the stage so that he could hear everything no matter where he was standing.

Cosmo's Factory released 50 years ago today.

The funny thing about it is that it already sounded 50 years old when it came out.

mr snrub reveals the depths of hippy violence and misogyny

lol

chooglin is the worst word ever invented to describe music

wait did you mean to post that ? what the fuck are you even talking about

old rock band, formerly known as the golliwogs

Creedence Cancelled Revival

ctrl + f 'snrub' and you'll see what Left is talking about.

Verily, 'twas ILM's golden age.

I don't see what that has to do with chooglin' though?

mostly unrelated, just an annoying word for an annoying rock style

I think you misunderstand the choogle.

probably

I noticed that Amanda P. used "chooglin" in her recent New Yorker Dixie Chicks review.

is the grateful dead in “truckin” mode chooglin? the appeal of this style eludes me so much it’s actually interesting

according to this mostly incomprehensible article it’s a n american thing but zeppelin, t rex and motorhead occasionally had it, and the pixies killed it, while modest mouse and black keys briefly revived it. I’m glad at least to have a word that encapsulates everything I don’t get about US rock http://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2007-04-18/466915

you might call it syncopated motorik

I don't know what it means either but the original "Keep On Chooglin'" is one chord for 8+ mintues, which I approve of.

No googlin' without chooglin' (Sergey Brin and Doug Clifford are both Palo Alto natives).

The Dead are to floppy to choogle imo

CCR has proprietary chooglin' rights, in the same way that only Luie Luie can make people dance the touchy

Dead’s new speedway boogie is a slow stoners choogle

just a shuffle not a choogle

i’m on a mac specifically to avoid the PC bullshit

chooglin is the worst word ever invented to describe music

lolll disregard the first sentence bc zing likes to keep my discarded thoughts

bison on the run from the PC police

the dead wish they could choogle. bought my dad the woodstock creedence set for father's day and achieved perfect good son status.

well aren't you fortunate.

Hopefully I can pick that box set up at a rummage sale

The Dead:noodlin'::CCR:chooglin'

I believe it has been established here that CCR is the only entity that has ever properly choogled. They invented choogling, they perfected it, and the art of choogling died with them.

There are no other chooglers, nor will there be.

Feel the music on Dylan/The Band’s “Before the Flood” has some choogle in it, just not in the singing

Also, we need a thread for chooglin’ jams.

VU kind of choogle on "What Goes On".

bison on the run from the PC police

The VU choogle song, albeit a fairly slow choogle, is undoubtedly "The Gift".

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hmm

disagree, yule velvets had _way_ more choogle than cale choogle. "train 'round the bend", that is some choogle. "move right in", choogle. "run run run" at the hilltop festival, choogle as fuck. "some kinda love" on 1969 live, that is about as choogle as it fucking gets, i mean listen to that fucking cowbell.

there is no choogle whatsoever in "heroin". ever.