this discussion sent me to the extras on the 2009 reissues of Bayou Country through Cosmo's, but also to the songs I was not familiar with from Pendulum: and man, "Sailor's Lament," "Chameleon," "Hideaway," and "It's Just a Thought" are really really bad. JF really ran outta gas at the same time that he wanted to expand the sound of the band, although I admire the chutzpah of "Rude Awakening" which is so bizarre and ill conceived that I'm glad he put it on the record. "Born to Move" and "Molina" are okay, but no patch on "Hey Tonight" or "have you ever"; that last one still the least of his hot streak.
― veronica moser, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link
Hard disagree about those Pendulum tracks
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:34 (four years ago) link
I call Pendulum the Organ Album. Fogerty took to it hard. Sometimes the songs exist as excuses for organ grooves ("Sailor's Lament"). But "It's Just a Thought" is a better bit of rumination than "Have You Ever..." -- my least favorite of CCR's singles, I'll agree.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:46 (four years ago) link
Something's gotta be last, right?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:54 (four years ago) link
Hard agree with your hard disagreement. "Hideaway" and "It's Just a Thought" are great!
― I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:45 (four years ago) link
I really love "Rude Awakening #2" as well, their most overtly psychedelic track
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:56 (four years ago) link
"Pagan Baby" also such a killer riff, underrated non-single.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 23:03 (four years ago) link
picked up a copy of Chronicle Volume 2 on CD at the used bookstore this weekend, thanks to this thread
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 23:05 (four years ago) link
That second volume led to my appreciation of CCR.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 23:09 (four years ago) link
1972 is a hazy memory, but I would swear I remember my local top 40 station playing “Molina” a bit. It was never a single in the US though. I really like everything on Pendulum except “Rude Awakening,” but one person’s “overtly psychedelic” is another’s clanking and banging for 6 minutes to fill out the album. “Pagan Baby” is amazing.
― A breezy pop-rock feel fairly typical of the mid-'80s (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 5 December 2019 00:06 (four years ago) link
"I dunno, PAs had come a very long way by ‘77, and a number of bands designed, developed, and lugged around their own PAs as a means of avoiding being stuck with inadequate house systems. It seems weird that Zep either a) didn’t use their own system, or b) that they designed and used a crappy one."
ehh, i'm not a gear-head, i've just heard lots of stadium rock boots, and the performances tend to be pretty crap on all of them. if there was a band in '77 that was playing absolutely top-notch balls-out rock in stadiums (which is something that's absolutely completely doable today), i'd think maybe it was just the drugs, but as i haven't heard such a thing i'm figuring there were unique challenges.
"But apart from maybe ‘68-‘69, Zep just wasn’t a great live act. They’d have great moments, but then ruin everything with 90 minutes of “LOOK AT THIS VIOLIN BOW.” It’s telling that How The West Was Won is compiled from multiple shows, sometimes within a single song (“Stairway” alone has bits from three shows). They couldn’t find one Zep show that was decent from beginning to end?
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)"
i'd argue that zep were inherently (even in '68-'69) _inconsistent_ - they took chances, they fluffed, and the live stuff (as has been exhaustively chronicled by eddie edwards) is edited to leave out the stuff they fluffed. an unedited release of that stuff, were it possible (the bbc stuff is edited for copyright reasons - they had a predilection for launching into blues songs and not crediting the original authors, and have paid out enough on those grounds that they're pretty careful), would still be an all-time live album, at minimum on par with "live at leeds". i'd also argue that zep were operating on an extremely high functional level as a live band through the end of '72 at least... over the course of '73 robert plant proceeded to completely blow out his voice, and it wasn't until after zep was a done deal that he learned to adapt and deal with what he lost. "how the west was won" was recorded towards the tail end of the '73 shows. you can complain about the violin bow stuff all you like but i was listening the offenburg "dazed" last night and that is absolutely a compendium of "heavy rock", finding room for both hendrix's "machine gun" and holst's "mars"
― Agnes Motörhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 5 December 2019 01:10 (four years ago) link
Semi-related, I bought the new box that has as much as was releasable of all four Band of Gypsys shows and you can really hear them feeling their way into and through the material - the first set on Night 1, the songs are a lot shorter, on Night 2 there's a real feeling that they've gelled as a band and everyone is more confident, hitting harder, stretching out more, and they're having fun with old songs like "Wild Thing" and "Purple Haze" not out of nervousness or a need to win the crowd over, but just for the hell of it.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 5 December 2019 01:20 (four years ago) link
I find myself inexplicably humming "Molina" as much as any of their hits.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 December 2019 01:57 (four years ago) link
you can complain about the violin bow stuff all you like but i was listening the offenburg "dazed" last night and that is absolutely a compendium of "heavy rock", finding room for both hendrix's "machine gun" and holst's "mars"
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 December 2019 02:06 (four years ago) link
"There are Who boots from ‘75-‘76 and Floyd boots from ‘77 that are crystal clear. Granted, much of that has to do with where the taper was sitting, but those two bands (Floyd especially) pioneered large PAs that also delivered clarity."
I'm not talking sound quality or how well the audience could hear them, I mean the extent to which they could hear each _other_. Which neither Pink Floyd in '77 or the Who, well, probably ever, could.
"My favorite “Dazed” — in fact, my favorite Led Zeppelin performance/moment — is the 1969 Supershow dealie. But for me, when Page gets too quotey, and loses focus (sometimes simultaneously), I lose interest. There seem to be more of those moments in the lengthier “Dazed”s.
To me the Supershow Dazed is just painful... because of the cut. God knows how long they went on for or how good it might have been. I rightly wouldn't mind another ten minutes or so, given that even by '69 standards they're playing shit-hot.
There's a certain overlap between his quoting and losing focus, but it's not 1:1. Offenburg to me is less "hey let's quote some other songs" and more the band attacking them with the same _transformational_ approach they went after all those blues songs with. Kind of along the lines of the "White Summer/Black Mountain Side" from Montreux '70 - yeah obviously he's ripping off Jansch, but there's so much individual flair to what he's doing that I can't rightly get terribly fussed over it.
― Agnes Motörhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 5 December 2019 02:44 (four years ago) link
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 December 2019 03:25 (four years ago) link
Man, I was watching one of those rig rundown videos, and apparently Angus Young doesn't use in-ear monitors, so they just had a wall of amps at full blast across the stage so that he could hear everything no matter where he was standing.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 December 2019 04:04 (four years ago) link
Cosmo's Factory released 50 years ago today.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 July 2020 22:31 (three years ago) link
The funny thing about it is that it already sounded 50 years old when it came out.
― walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 17 July 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link
mr snrub reveals the depths of hippy violence and misogyny
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Friday, 17 July 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
lol
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 July 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
chooglin is the worst word ever invented to describe music
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Friday, 17 July 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link
wait did you mean to post that ? what the fuck are you even talking about
― budo jeru, Friday, 17 July 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link
old rock band, formerly known as the golliwogs
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Friday, 17 July 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link
Creedence Cancelled Revival
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link
ctrl + f 'snrub' and you'll see what Left is talking about.
― pomenitul, Friday, 17 July 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link
Verily, 'twas ILM's golden age.
― pomenitul, Friday, 17 July 2020 19:25 (three years ago) link
I don't see what that has to do with chooglin' though?
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2020 19:27 (three years ago) link
mostly unrelated, just an annoying word for an annoying rock style
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Friday, 17 July 2020 19:29 (three years ago) link
I think you misunderstand the choogle.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link
probably
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Friday, 17 July 2020 19:31 (three years ago) link
I noticed that Amanda P. used "chooglin" in her recent New Yorker Dixie Chicks review.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 July 2020 20:08 (three years ago) link
is the grateful dead in “truckin” mode chooglin? the appeal of this style eludes me so much it’s actually interesting
according to this mostly incomprehensible article it’s a n american thing but zeppelin, t rex and motorhead occasionally had it, and the pixies killed it, while modest mouse and black keys briefly revived it. I’m glad at least to have a word that encapsulates everything I don’t get about US rock http://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2007-04-18/466915
― If you choose too long a name, your new display name will be truncated in (Left), Friday, 17 July 2020 20:40 (three years ago) link
you might call it syncopated motorik
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 July 2020 20:41 (three years ago) link
I don't know what it means either but the original "Keep On Chooglin'" is one chord for 8+ mintues, which I approve of.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2020 20:42 (three years ago) link
No googlin' without chooglin' (Sergey Brin and Doug Clifford are both Palo Alto natives).
― pomenitul, Friday, 17 July 2020 20:45 (three years ago) link
The Dead are to floppy to choogle imo
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 July 2020 20:46 (three years ago) link
CCR has proprietary chooglin' rights, in the same way that only Luie Luie can make people dance the touchy
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 17 July 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link
Dead’s new speedway boogie is a slow stoners choogle
― calstars, Friday, 17 July 2020 20:51 (three years ago) link
just a shuffle not a choogle
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 July 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link
i’m on a mac specifically to avoid the PC bullshit
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Friday, 17 July 2020 21:08 (three years ago) link
lolll disregard the first sentence bc zing likes to keep my discarded thoughts
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Friday, 17 July 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link
bison on the run from the PC police
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 July 2020 21:27 (three years ago) link
the dead wish they could choogle. bought my dad the woodstock creedence set for father's day and achieved perfect good son status.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 17 July 2020 23:18 (three years ago) link
well aren't you fortunate.
― pplains, Friday, 17 July 2020 23:28 (three years ago) link
Hopefully I can pick that box set up at a rummage sale
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 July 2020 23:42 (three years ago) link
The Dead:noodlin'::CCR:chooglin'
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 July 2020 23:52 (three years ago) link
I believe it has been established here that CCR is the only entity that has ever properly choogled. They invented choogling, they perfected it, and the art of choogling died with them.
There are no other chooglers, nor will there be.
― the word "restaurateur" doesn't have an n in it (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 18 July 2020 00:32 (three years ago) link
Feel the music on Dylan/The Band’s “Before the Flood” has some choogle in it, just not in the singing
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 18 July 2020 01:17 (three years ago) link
Also, we need a thread for chooglin’ jams.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 18 July 2020 01:18 (three years ago) link