Bond #25: NO TIME TO DIE

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"Feeling fiery today, James?"

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:46 (six months ago) link

damn this looks much better than the last two. hope it is

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:47 (six months ago) link

I guess it probably doesn't help that I thought both Skyfall and Spectre were beautiful but boring, so this one looking nice doesn't excite me much on its own

Simon H., Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:47 (six months ago) link

i'm not necessarily just reacting to the look, but then it's ridiculous to make any judgments about a movie from the trailer etc.

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:51 (six months ago) link

regardless, feels like it has way more of an identity of its own than spectre, which was a rehash of old bond themes made 10000x worse

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:52 (six months ago) link

"we'll have a train fight, like from russia with love, except it won't be filmed half as well!" "we'll bring in blofeld, but he'll secretly be bond's brother!!!!"

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:53 (six months ago) link

hope waltz remains caged in glass for the runtime

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:54 (six months ago) link

I want to make an ortolan joke now but I can't get the formulation right

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:55 (six months ago) link

but then it's ridiculous to make any judgments about a movie from the trailer etc.

― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, December 4, 2019 9:51 AM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

you do know this is ilxor dot com right

gbx, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:13 (six months ago) link

Waltz would have made a great Roger Moore-era Bond villain.

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:14 (six months ago) link

you do know this is ilxor dot com right

― gbx, Wednesday, December 4, 2019 10:13 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i do and i complained about the same thing in the knives out thread

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:18 (six months ago) link

This looks dope, I don't know what jaded ish y'all are on

I watched Spectre a couple of years ago and i'm still angry

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:24 (six months ago) link

"This looks dope, I don't know what jaded ish y'all are on"

no shit. I mean a Bond film has to be really, really, really shitty for me to not like it. I like all the Craig Bond films. This looks good too. I'm not expecting cinema I just want to be entertained and watch people shoot shit while speaking in english accents and wearing suits. Ana de Armas better have some lines though.

akm, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:37 (six months ago) link

a bond film has to be really really really shitty for me not to like it too, and i hate skyfall and spectre, they're empty and cynical and negatively influenced by the nolan batmans

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:39 (six months ago) link

yup. even QoS, while incompetently directed, is more interesting than either of 'em

Simon H., Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:39 (six months ago) link

eh, I like them all

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:41 (six months ago) link

I'm getting too old for I'm getting too old for this shit

lol i watched the trailer with the sound off and his facial expression every single time is like CONFUSED OLD MAN DOESN'T KNOW WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT HIM

j., Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:52 (six months ago) link

it's pretty much the same with the sound on

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:59 (six months ago) link

god almighty are they still doing "i'm too old for this shit?"

haven't watched the trailer but tbf Craig is now the second-oldest Broccoli Bond, and only two years younger than Never Say Never Again Connery

a bond film has to be really really really shitty for me not to like it too, and i hate skyfall and spectre, they're empty and cynical and negatively influenced by the nolan batmans

yeah I think there are maybe three good Bond films but Spectre is the first one I didn't have fun watching & felt aggressively insulted by at the time (Skyfall took a few hours: saw it in IMAX with a group of dudes and we walked out enthusing. by lunch the next day I sent a group email formally recanting my enthusiasm and naming bad shit that bugged me. iirc the stalking & shootout scene at the end is well done in itself, but the dumb Burton / Nolan portentous daddy issues stuff is ladled onto the house so badly)

insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 18:56 (six months ago) link

Connery's Bond in NSNA may have been older but he didn't look tired like Craig's Bond looks in this trailer. Connery put more effort into NSNA than Craig did in Casino Royale - he looked a bit tired then and that was supposedly 'young inexperienced Bond'.

hoping that craig dies at the end and lashana lynch is the new 007 tbh

^^^ her character is the only reason I might even bother seeing this movie.

just another country (snoball), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:02 (six months ago) link

i disagree so much, craig enlivens casino royale

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:06 (six months ago) link

Craig was IMO so outstanding in CR — I think the subsequent performances he’s given haven’t been bad per se it’s more that the OTT portentousness of the films themselves is an ill fit for Bond and while he gives it his best shot it’s tough to overcome and find his way to liven up the performances w/levity when every other character is darkly intoning about your painful past and others are bragging that they’re “the author of all your pain”.

CR was a perfect balance for him w/the humor and toughness mixed with a vulnerability that felt real and not narratively false (cf his breakdown at the end of Skyfall).

omar little, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:21 (six months ago) link

yeah I think that's one of the reasons CR is so good, tough/"gritty" Bond cuts satisfyingly against the relatively not-that-grim movie around him.

that and the setpieces are just so easy to follow

Simon H., Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:29 (six months ago) link

i will go on the same journey i have been on for the past x bond films ie remain IRRATIONALLY, EXCITABLY STOKED for everything until evidence proves otherwise

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:33 (six months ago) link

trailer looks great i am excite

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:40 (six months ago) link

:)

it’s more that the OTT portentousness of the films themselves is an ill fit for Bond

it's an ill fit for Craig too! the dude from Logan Lucky could bring so much to a late-Connery / Lazenby / early Moore style fun spy adventure

gonna see Knives Out tonight, hoping for notes of goofy Craig in that too

insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:43 (six months ago) link

imo you will not be disappointed!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:44 (six months ago) link

Connery's Bond in NSNA may have been older but he didn't look tired like Craig's Bond looks in this trailer.

It's been a while since I've seen NSNA but IIRC the entire plot is "lol, look how old and fat Bond is now, watch him get winded walking up stairs"

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:48 (six months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqqYoLRTgI8
It's revealed immediately afterwards to have been a training exercise, and M chews out Bond for being out of shape, but really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu77iLGLBs

just another country (snoball), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:59 (six months ago) link

After the initial bit at Shrublands, Bond's supposed lack of fitness is never mentioned again, and he spends the rest of the movie kicking ass as good as he did in From Russia With Love.

just another country (snoball), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:01 (six months ago) link

all the grace and vigor of Ernest Borgnine in The Wild Bunch

omar little, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:03 (six months ago) link

yeah it's in the upper tiers of bond movies imo. the "lol vegetable shake???" stuff (to which Spectre, bafflingly, paid homage) is the weakest part of it. obv not the best connery bond but not the worst either.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:04 (six months ago) link

NSNA is a solid flick though, when i was a kid i had zero idea about the chronology of where it fell in terms of Bond movies let alone the particulars of the rights issues but it's not like Connery or any of the Bonds were ever *not* a bit worn.

omar little, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:06 (six months ago) link

connery is more engaged in nsna than he is in diamonds are forever

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:08 (six months ago) link

I'm in danger of drifting off the thread topic, but I like how the villain Largo's motive in NSNA is that he's a bored billionaire who thinks it'll be a big laugh. Almost like Elon Musk.

just another country (snoball), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:09 (six months ago) link

back on topic: the logo for Bond #25 looks like a 70s action movie, possibly starring Charles Bronson or George Peppard.

just another country (snoball), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:10 (six months ago) link

i don’t like NSNA? - maybe bc I didnt see it until much later in life

idk

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:33 (six months ago) link

xpost yes! i like it too for tbat reason

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:34 (six months ago) link

also excited that we may get GUNFIGHTING IN THE SNOW - my fave

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:34 (six months ago) link

tbf Craig is now the second-oldest Broccoli Bond, and only two years younger than Never Say Never Again Connery

poss could have phrased this less distractingly by saying “ten years older than Connery was when he quit for the second time

insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 5 December 2019 00:47 (six months ago) link

imo you will not be disappointed

ha ha yes

hopefully now that he is free of Bond he can start cracking out a Benoit Blanc mystery every three years

if Rian Johnson has to quit his trilogy of Star Warses to meet this pace, oh well

insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 5 December 2019 18:06 (six months ago) link

Amazing there will have been 3 Star Wars films and 2 spin offs since the last Bond.

piscesx, Friday, 6 December 2019 14:35 (six months ago) link

that's one word for it, aye

"Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 December 2019 14:35 (six months ago) link

all the grace and vigor of Ernest Borgnine in The Wild Bunch

― omar little, Wednesday, December 4, 2019 5:03 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is such a Morbsian comment I had to check it twice!

regarding the trailer: stop ruining movies, andrew lloyd webber

wasdnuos (abanana), Sunday, 8 December 2019 00:23 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...

hoping that craig dies at the end and lashana lynch is the new 007 tbh

^^^ her character is the only reason I might even bother seeing this movie.

― just another country (snoball), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 19:02 (one month ago)

I'm going to go further than this and say that I hope Craig's Bond dies in the gun barrel sequence. Like Bond fumbles getting his gun out and gets shot by person whose POV we've been seeing all these years. Then the pre-titles scene is Ralph Fiennes' M walking into a conference room like Alan Sugar on The Apprentice. He sits down, points at an unseen figure across the table, and says "I want you to be my business partner the next 007!". And then the camera cuts to another angle and it's revealed to be Lashana Lynch's character. BOOM! roll Maurice Binder inspired title sequence.

just another country (snoball), Saturday, 4 January 2020 18:13 (five months ago) link

Bond #25? No, time to die!

JoeStork, Saturday, 4 January 2020 18:17 (five months ago) link

This song reminds me of this spiritual i sang in choir called "Ain't Got Time to Die"

papa stank (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 January 2020 18:55 (five months ago) link

Hm!

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-51112742

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 16:43 (five months ago) link


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