Bond #25: NO TIME TO DIE

a vision of a better world

Julie Walters suggested herself as a possible female villain in this film, such as Rosa Klebb, while working with Bond producer Barbara Broccoli on Film Stars Don't Die in Liverpool (2017). Walters, admittedly, had not heard back as of July 2017.

The trailer has some mildly odd beats but trailer editing is usually misleading in ways good bad and neutral. It does look very good visually, the action seems a bit more dynamic which—as I’ll never shut up about—was the issue w/the Mendes Bonds, which made billions but also showed the risks of going with a high profile middlebrow hack behind the lens vs an action veteran (one reason Casino Royale was great beyond the script and the casting was the Martin Campbell factor). Still will be disappointed if they don’t deploy Craig’s extremely excellent sense of humor, which was used in a very natural and seamless and effective way in CR, only to cast it aside for grimdark chaos your past haunts you James stuff.

maybe they edited the repeated nutshots James takes over the course of the movie out of the trailer

Thanks for reminding me about the chair scene in casino royale

haha anytime

"Feeling fiery today, James?"

damn this looks much better than the last two. hope it is

I guess it probably doesn't help that I thought both Skyfall and Spectre were beautiful but boring, so this one looking nice doesn't excite me much on its own

i'm not necessarily just reacting to the look, but then it's ridiculous to make any judgments about a movie from the trailer etc.

regardless, feels like it has way more of an identity of its own than spectre, which was a rehash of old bond themes made 10000x worse

"we'll have a train fight, like from russia with love, except it won't be filmed half as well!" "we'll bring in blofeld, but he'll secretly be bond's brother!!!!"

hope waltz remains caged in glass for the runtime

I want to make an ortolan joke now but I can't get the formulation right

but then it's ridiculous to make any judgments about a movie from the trailer etc.

― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, December 4, 2019 9:51 AM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

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Waltz would have made a great Roger Moore-era Bond villain.

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― gbx, Wednesday, December 4, 2019 10:13 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i do and i complained about the same thing in the knives out thread

This looks dope, I don't know what jaded ish y'all are on

I watched Spectre a couple of years ago and i'm still angry

"This looks dope, I don't know what jaded ish y'all are on"

no shit. I mean a Bond film has to be really, really, really shitty for me to not like it. I like all the Craig Bond films. This looks good too. I'm not expecting cinema I just want to be entertained and watch people shoot shit while speaking in english accents and wearing suits. Ana de Armas better have some lines though.

a bond film has to be really really really shitty for me not to like it too, and i hate skyfall and spectre, they're empty and cynical and negatively influenced by the nolan batmans

yup. even QoS, while incompetently directed, is more interesting than either of 'em

eh, I like them all

I'm getting too old for I'm getting too old for this shit

lol i watched the trailer with the sound off and his facial expression every single time is like CONFUSED OLD MAN DOESN'T KNOW WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT HIM

it's pretty much the same with the sound on

god almighty are they still doing "i'm too old for this shit?"

haven't watched the trailer but tbf Craig is now the second-oldest Broccoli Bond, and only two years younger than Never Say Never Again Connery

a bond film has to be really really really shitty for me not to like it too, and i hate skyfall and spectre, they're empty and cynical and negatively influenced by the nolan batmans

yeah I think there are maybe three good Bond films but Spectre is the first one I didn't have fun watching & felt aggressively insulted by at the time (Skyfall took a few hours: saw it in IMAX with a group of dudes and we walked out enthusing. by lunch the next day I sent a group email formally recanting my enthusiasm and naming bad shit that bugged me. iirc the stalking & shootout scene at the end is well done in itself, but the dumb Burton / Nolan portentous daddy issues stuff is ladled onto the house so badly)

Connery's Bond in NSNA may have been older but he didn't look tired like Craig's Bond looks in this trailer. Connery put more effort into NSNA than Craig did in Casino Royale - he looked a bit tired then and that was supposedly 'young inexperienced Bond'.

hoping that craig dies at the end and lashana lynch is the new 007 tbh

^^^ her character is the only reason I might even bother seeing this movie.

i disagree so much, craig enlivens casino royale

Craig was IMO so outstanding in CR — I think the subsequent performances he’s given haven’t been bad per se it’s more that the OTT portentousness of the films themselves is an ill fit for Bond and while he gives it his best shot it’s tough to overcome and find his way to liven up the performances w/levity when every other character is darkly intoning about your painful past and others are bragging that they’re “the author of all your pain”.

CR was a perfect balance for him w/the humor and toughness mixed with a vulnerability that felt real and not narratively false (cf his breakdown at the end of Skyfall).

yeah I think that's one of the reasons CR is so good, tough/"gritty" Bond cuts satisfyingly against the relatively not-that-grim movie around him.

that and the setpieces are just so easy to follow

i will go on the same journey i have been on for the past x bond films ie remain IRRATIONALLY, EXCITABLY STOKED for everything until evidence proves otherwise

trailer looks great i am excite

:)

it’s more that the OTT portentousness of the films themselves is an ill fit for Bond

it's an ill fit for Craig too! the dude from Logan Lucky could bring so much to a late-Connery / Lazenby / early Moore style fun spy adventure

gonna see Knives Out tonight, hoping for notes of goofy Craig in that too

imo you will not be disappointed!

Connery's Bond in NSNA may have been older but he didn't look tired like Craig's Bond looks in this trailer.

It's been a while since I've seen NSNA but IIRC the entire plot is "lol, look how old and fat Bond is now, watch him get winded walking up stairs"

love Sean but

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BN2NlZDg5ODgtYjM0My00NzZiLTg5ZmYtYTVjMjk3M2YxOWFhXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjUwNzk3NDc@._V1_.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqqYoLRTgI8
It's revealed immediately afterwards to have been a training exercise, and M chews out Bond for being out of shape, but really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu77iLGLBs

After the initial bit at Shrublands, Bond's supposed lack of fitness is never mentioned again, and he spends the rest of the movie kicking ass as good as he did in From Russia With Love.

all the grace and vigor of Ernest Borgnine in The Wild Bunch

yeah it's in the upper tiers of bond movies imo. the "lol vegetable shake???" stuff (to which Spectre, bafflingly, paid homage) is the weakest part of it. obv not the best connery bond but not the worst either.

NSNA is a solid flick though, when i was a kid i had zero idea about the chronology of where it fell in terms of Bond movies let alone the particulars of the rights issues but it's not like Connery or any of the Bonds were ever *not* a bit worn.

connery is more engaged in nsna than he is in diamonds are forever

I'm in danger of drifting off the thread topic, but I like how the villain Largo's motive in NSNA is that he's a bored billionaire who thinks it'll be a big laugh. Almost like Elon Musk.

back on topic: the logo for Bond #25 looks like a 70s action movie, possibly starring Charles Bronson or George Peppard.

i don’t like NSNA? - maybe bc I didnt see it until much later in life

idk

xpost yes! i like it too for tbat reason

also excited that we may get GUNFIGHTING IN THE SNOW - my fave

tbf Craig is now the second-oldest Broccoli Bond, and only two years younger than Never Say Never Again Connery

poss could have phrased this less distractingly by saying “ten years older than Connery was when he quit for the second time”

imo you will not be disappointed

ha ha yes

hopefully now that he is free of Bond he can start cracking out a Benoit Blanc mystery every three years

if Rian Johnson has to quit his trilogy of Star Warses to meet this pace, oh well

Amazing there will have been 3 Star Wars films and 2 spin offs since the last Bond.

that's one word for it, aye

all the grace and vigor of Ernest Borgnine in The Wild Bunch

― omar little, Wednesday, December 4, 2019 5:03 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is such a Morbsian comment I had to check it twice!