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a quick google tells me this is "one of theologies most exciting debates"

theology's. fuck.

i feel like this is something that you can't just make a pithy summation of that will explain too much. although if it were i would not be in such a position to do so

especially because earlier debates in the church precede and inform it (the dominicans are augustinian thomists)

i thought augustinianism and thomism were different?

where are some underrated aerosmith bootlegs to enlighten me

Xp.Yeah they are. Thomas Aquinas both draws from and disagrees with Augustine, I guess I should've said that Dominican theological position on grace and predestination draws from aquinas and thomas

i mean, no catholic believes in predestination

right?

Well the Jansenists did and they claimed to just be disciples of Augustine

no catholic believes in predestination...right?

After you've been catechized, the church cares little about the private little heresies of its communicants, so long as they don't make a big issue out of them. If you are a priest or some other official of the church it's trickier, and you'd better be able to couch your determinism in the kind of theologically acceptable obscurantist terminology that won't get you in trouble with the church hierarchy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell

^Because I was wondering went on during those three days.

metal as fuck

Martin Luther: [looks directly at the camera, Office-style] https://t.co/s9EFy1IZPe

— Adam Kotsko (@adamkotsko) March 22, 2020

capitalism: this fuckin thing has exposed most of our activities as painfully blatant scams

catholicism: hold my bier

lol x 2

What a world

https://www.aod.org/sacramentsupdate

peter at the pearly gates: i'm sorry, we can't let you in. looks like there was some sort of administrative error down there on earth. it's gonna take a while to clean up. don't worry, there's a waiting room *nods toward purgatory*

“Look it’s not a big deal, minor administrative snafu, well get it figured out, but in the meantime don’t die because of you do youre going to hell”

so...if the priest wasn't technically baptized all that time, does that mean that the people he baptized are also at risk of eternal hell due to administrative error?

so...if the priest wasn't technically baptized all that time, does that mean that the people he baptized are also at risk of eternal hell due to administrative error?

The church (shrugs): Hey, God makes the rules, we don't.

administrative assistant to god: god dammit, we've got another memo from earth. it's another policy clarification request.
god: let me guess, fucking b-
admin assistant to god: baptism, yep, it's baptism again.
god: it's whatever they want. it's whatever they want. we've told them this. i don't care. this is the least important planet on my plate. this planet shouldn't even BE on my plate

okay I have a dumb question:

When you put ash on your forehead for Ash Wednesday... where does the ash come from? Is it special, sanctified ash, or just some regular old ash from the bottom of the BBQ?

thanks in advance from an ignorant protestant

Who even knows where the hosts come from? probably some warehouse in Skipton!

They are supposedly from the previous Palm Sunday’s palm leaves? I never knew this though tbh I never paid attention in either Mass or religion class.

so does a priest have to daub the ash on your forehead? Or is it DIY

At primary school I was told it was previous years Palm Sunday's Palms.

Priest
xp to me

At school the teachers used to give us a row if anybody wiped them off our foreheads.

Who even knows where the hosts come from? probably some warehouse in Skipton!

My mum as a lifetime on/off lapsed catholic buys wafers as a substitute because she fell in love with communion hosts at an early age ... I'm not making this up! Had no idea they were widely available online. At least now I have a good birthday pressie option for her.

in my presbyterian youth, we used sourdough bread (very NorCal) and welch's grape juice.. everybody got their own shot glass, we didn't share a cup

also there was no transfiguration or whatever you call it, the bread was just bread and not the actual flesh of christ

i don't understand the catholic sense of forgiveness. some of the most of unforgiving ppl i know are catholics. is this just my limited experience or is the concept somehow perverted as a type of punishment?

I forgive you.

catholics do love history -- the old churches, holy relics, that thing you did

Bless, alfred

Lol sufjan

guilt and forgiveness are the pendulum that swings butts into seats on Sunday. there's a sacrament requiring the CEO's signature on forgiveness with middle management present.

The simple answer: it's easier to condemn than to accept. The latter puts you in a position of weakness.

Seems like a lot weight to carry but you know

Jesus carried his own cross, man -- it's the least we can do.

a new priest has Young Pope'd my home town's church. women wear veils. men wear suits. One (drunk) lady started speaking in tongues in a webcast mass. Turned it into his fascist terrarium. most people left, but a new crowd showed up. there's a spectrum of "catholics", so it can be important to know which we're talking about.

Most Catholics in my acquaintance only speak in tongues when I offer them Negronis.

mel gibsons and negroni fiends

i don't understand the catholic sense of forgiveness. some of the most of unforgiving ppl i know are catholics. is this just my limited experience or is the concept somehow perverted as a type of punishment?

i don't understand the catholic sense of forgiveness. some of the most of unforgiving ppl i know are catholics. is this just my limited experience or is the concept somehow perverted as a type of punishment?

― Comfortably numbnuts (Heez)

there are lots of different sorts of catholics but those sort of catholics you're talking about...

i mean look what you really wanna watch out for are _british catholics_. british catholics are just fuckin' bad news all around.

anyway, those kind of catholics, and you have a lot of the same in america too but they're not oxbridge educated, they'll forgive you, but only for the stuff _they_ did.

then you also have the catholics who are basically pipelining evangelicals, the evangelicals decided they loved catholics when roe v. wade came down and ever since then they've been, like. evangelicalizing a lot of catholics, to where american catholicism is in a lot of ways another evangelical church, but with the robust tradition of highly organized institutional child abuse american roman catholicism is renowned for. i mean when evangelicals do child abuse, it's usually more grass-roots, more of a DIY thing. catholics... well, they don't have it set up as well structurally _now_, because they lost a lot of their funds once they were held legally responsible for institutionally supporting CSA. but for a while there, i mean, it was them and the mormons and _no_ competition from anybody else. i don't really know shit about the mormons, we grew up on the east coast, not really a lot of mormons out there. i just know that they're very organized and very patriarchal.

the ones you really wanna watch out for is the jesuits. they'll take the most fucked up wrong shit imaginable and make it sound reasonable. whenever i say fucked up shit and somehow manage to make it sound reasonable, that's part of my heritage, my grandfather got his law degree from a jesuit law school. i've been working really hard for a long time to try and unlearn that behavior.

the tenets of Christ are followed less than even the Tenet of Chris

Kate, I've just got back from the funeral of my uncle, my extended family of Liverpool Catholics were there as well as many from the Catholic school he was deputy headteacher of (in London) - he was a lifelong socialist and many of the others there are too. Think it doesn't need to be stressed that I don't agree that any of these people are "fuckin' bad news all round", and that includes my uncle's cousin, who is a bishop.