we'll always have the anglo-irish idiom, if its all we have
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
i learned about the brown cow the morning of the paper and i felt it was just the right kind of chancer bullshit that a fella could really hang some quality answers on, god bless ya austie a mhic
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:52 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiirccLoVkU
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link
xp don’t know what this is so you learned sooner than me
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link
the lost heifer i think i mean
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
Oh I see. He wasn’t on my syllabus. I was hoping on one of the four poets I did know (Plath, Yeats, Heaney, Bishop) and I had a choice between two I think. High risk strategy cos fuck knows I wasn’t learning Donne or Hopkins.
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link
When the black herds of the rain were grazing,In the gap of the pure cold windAnd the watery hazes of the hazelBrought her into my mind,I thought of the last honey by the waterThat no hive can find.
Brightness was drenching through the branchesWhen she wandered again,Turning sliver out of dark grassesWhere the skylark had lain,And her voice coming softly over the meadowWas the mist becoming rain
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:08 (four years ago) link
what i remember about this:
the herd is ireland
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link
the gap is ireland
hazels- certainly ireland
the honey: just honey
the hive, the ireland that never was, the ireland dev dreamt of and up, the ireland that irish americans think of, i-cant-believe-its-not-ireland, 33 county republic ireland
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:10 (four years ago) link
second verse: the cow came back while he wrote the first
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
lj otm now about Hopkins but putting him in front of 17 year olds in writing rather than read is cruelty
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
I'm currently enjoying a hot port which is possibly my favourite Irish cultural touchstone of all.
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:17 (four years ago) link
I've never understood Hopkins. Wished they'd put chattier gays on the LC
― plax (ico), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:18 (four years ago) link
rip
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:54 (four years ago) link
how was hopkins not chatty, he exploded sonnets to 500 words for god's sake
― imago, Monday, 2 December 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
Hopkins was not good
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link
burton reading leaden/golden echo is maybe the best thing humans have done
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
No, I was wrong. My chosen four were Yeats/Plath/Heaney/Mahon. I think of Heaney a lot and bought several books of his, but Mahon I still know by heart <redacted> years later.
― gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link
mahon cailin indeed
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 22:30 (four years ago) link
Gyac I suspect we did the leaving the same year
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 06:01 (four years ago) link
Wouldn’t be surprised. What was your core text?
― gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 08:02 (four years ago) link
I want to say Macbeth
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 08:44 (four years ago) link
A fine vintage
― gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 09:20 (four years ago) link
same but id imagine from an earlier cycle
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:47 (four years ago) link
ftfy
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:48 (four years ago) link
well it's a given that one cannot simply agree with another's opinion, this is the irish thread
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 11:42 (four years ago) link
Speaking of vintages, I think pom and I are the same age. Jurd “Manly” Hopkins was not good.
― gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:00 (four years ago) link
The sprung rhythms and talk of inscape and instress are all classic imo but I'm fond of poetry that aspires towards the condition of music (short of actual sound poetry, which lacks all the desirable qualities of language and music both).
I think we are the same age, yes. I'm a 1985-er.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:03 (four years ago) link
A fine year.That’s interesting. I may look at him again now that you’ve said that. I never had quite that association between the sounds and rhythms of poetry as I did with music in English - but I can still remember some of the Irish poems I learned because of their musicality.
― gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:07 (four years ago) link
I'm younger but I was quite young when I did the leaving
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:11 (four years ago) link
Hopkins drew on Anglo-Saxon cadences so he was definitely working within a wholly different tradition (apologies for mentioning it itt).
xp
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:11 (four years ago) link
It’a fine! What else is this thread for?!
― gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:13 (four years ago) link
In the absence of a The Anglo-Saxons thread...
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:16 (four years ago) link
Anglo-Saxons is a kinda nonsense category tbf
― éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:17 (four years ago) link
It is kind of telling that the canonical Anglo-Saxon epic begins with a reference to the 'Spear-Danes'.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:19 (four years ago) link
We've got our own Saxons, incidentally:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvanian_Saxons
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:23 (four years ago) link
Same!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxons#Netherlands
The local language, although strongly influenced by standard Dutch, is still officially recognised as Dutch Low Saxon.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:24 (four years ago) link
Damn continental immigrants.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:26 (four years ago) link
― éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:17 (fifty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
and don't ye behave like it
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 13:11 (four years ago) link
happy to take my share of the blame but i've got enough self-loathing for one or two more if needed
― éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 13:15 (four years ago) link
its valuable work and we surely appreciate it
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 13:21 (four years ago) link
I did Hamlet and if nothing else it's almost certainly provided me with more University Challenge answers than any other subject
― Number None, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 13:56 (four years ago) link
"leaving cert" is one of the fascinating concepts I've been introduced to by my favorite thriller writer Tana French, along with the staggeringly good idiom "fair play to you"
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link
fair play to here
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 17:10 (four years ago) link
her, ffs
― deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link
Both work.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link