The Colombia/Ecuador/Venezuela Mess or Let's Place Bets on How Long Before the U.S. Backs a Colombian War With Venezuela

i bet bolivians have more on their mind than the status of their symbolic relationship with a country in the middle east

*Intellectuals at ilxor dot com screaming A FOURTH TERM?!*

this seems like an awfully roundabout way of asserting that ilxor dot com has no intellectuals

i bet bolivians have more on their mind than the status of their symbolic relationship with a country in the middle east

― Mordy, Friday, 29 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Symbolic huh?

As expected, the Bolivian post-coup junta plans to privatize the economy and reverse the gains of the last 13 years.

The junta has already expelled 700 Cuban doctors, removed RT & Telesur from airwaves, and requested Israeli training of its military. https://t.co/Xfq7lhY0eQ

— Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) December 16, 2019

Also Canada has not recognized Añez. I think this what europeans countries should do too. Put pressure on the notion that is really just an interim moment.

― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Just an interim govt, yeah

Just ignore the fascist and his propaganda, you're not going to be accurately informed. He has this fantasy going on where he is a right-thinking strongman disciplining the weak of mind. He is just an idiot.

Fred, can you stop this, you're only going to get banned again.

One week to Star Wars Fred. One week.

Tom, he literally just wrote 'we will have to get dirty online' on your little safe-space thread. If you don't want your allies to be called fascists, try and stop them from becoming authoritarians ranting about ruthless discipline. Nothing he writes above is about being informing, it's about punishing Mordy and Van Horn Street for speaking out of line. He is a sad loser thinking he is doing his part for the revolutionen by leaning into his shittiness. You'd do a lot more for your cause by speaking out against him than me.

Using a right-wing talking point to describe our little corner of the web is just beautiful. For a writer, you have a way with words!

(xp) He's not my 'ally'. Showing up on random threads to shout fascist at someone is nagl but so be it, your choice, there's only going to be one outcome.

Tom you don't know what you're talking about. This is not a 'random thread'. He literally cited Venezuela in yet another personal attack on me as late as yesterday! This guy is harassing me all over the board because I don't live up to his tankie ideals of 'anti-imperialism', and being completely open about doing it! And about wanting to do it to others!

Stay out of it if you don't want to know. You are literally defending online harassment, okay?

I'm not literally defending anything. You're your own worst enemy.

New Paddington Bear film this Xmas Fred?

No Tom, I'm pretty sure my worst enemy is not me but the guy who is harassing me. Who is open about using harassment strategically for discipline and punishment. And open about wanting to do it more. And who kept shitting on me after I blocked him. Pretty sure that guy is causing this. I'm not angling for sympathy, but what you're doing is textbook victimblaming. Just stay out of it. You have your little safespace, but don't let his abuse spread to the rest of the board.

Drop the 'little safespace' shite, Fred.

It's not safe from our Fred. Nothing is, sadly.

I've said my piece, I'll leave you two to it.

Well it's not just the two of us. Fred kicks off against multiple people on here, which is why he's been banned twice. Might take a 3rd.

I have, of course, not been banned twice. Dishonest abuser is being dishonest.

So once then? Aren't you ashamed of yourself?

as usual, Europeans making South America all about themselves. get another thread, fools, for your petty squabbles

I haven't lived in SA for a long time but do come from there. I revived with a report from Bolivia, but Fred is more important.

Lol, unbelievable.

The crazy thing is how out in the open it is. How honest he is about being ‘ruthless’ and ‘dirty online’. How obviously emotionally manipulative he is trying to be. How obviously he is trying to hurt. Me, and Van Horn Street, and Mordy, and imago and pom, etc. It’s just so obviously a harassment campaign. And all Tom can say is ‘please don’t call him a fascist’ and ‘don’t say safespace’.

It's a good job you're not angling for sympathy because I don't think you'll be getting much from anyone on here. As far as I'm concerned, you can call him a fascist all you like, all that will happen is you'll be banned from ILX.

Was this chump banned once or twice?

The thing that amazes me, Tom, is that you wrote yourself just last week Remoind me how many times Fred been banned now. No idea why Comrade Alphabet feels it necessary to keep winding him up though. If you were like 'nah, he is not harassing you, you're overreacting' that would be one thing, but you know it's his fault.

Using a right-wing talking point to describe our little corner of the web is just beautiful. For a writer, you have a way with words!

And on a thread where we are trying to talk about an authoritarian coup in Latin America where people are being directly murdered.

Lol loser https://t.co/DBsDDELKFN

— Will🧙‍♂️Menaker (@willmenaker) January 5, 2020

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/07/venezuela-maduro-parliament-juan-guaido-leader

Just reading this thread and came across the following:

Saying US involvement sucks doesn't contradict the notion that Russian involvement sucks even more. Plus looking at the history of US involvement, Venezuela is at the moment, very far from the worst. Also very far from the worst Russia has offered outside and within its borders.

The US military has killed, at a very conservative estimate, at least 12 million people in various "interventions" around the world since the end of World War II. Probably more. That dwarfs anything Russia has done in the same period of time.

yeah but america is the good guys tho

I'm sorry, that number is just completely pulled out of thin air. But even then I don't think it 'dwarfs' 2 million dead civilians in Afghanistan in the eighties.

The refusal to acknowledge local agency in creating the violent uprisings that ended colonialism all over the world isn't actually progressive at all.

Lol just catching up on Guaido:

Even Guaido looked shocked at the applause, like wow you guys really are fucked up

— Dwayne (@dwayne937) February 5, 2020

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/26/bolivia-dismissed-its-october-elections-fraudulent-our-research-found-no-reason-suspect-fraud/

I bumped the Morales thread with that story but it can live here too of course.

Ah, my bad, I didn't know about that thread and thought this was the one for all Central/South American socialism politics stuff

The imperialists will say Morales should not have stood in the first place to defend this.

The obvious 'defence' is that the statistical evidence really don't matter, and that the OAS report investigated and found irregularities on the ground in Bolivia

But yes, of course Morales shouldn't have stood, it's insane to claim that as an 'imperialistic' view.

Btw the OAS report is out in English, if people want to read it: http://www.oas.org/fpdb/press/Audit-Report-EN-vFINAL.pdf

"The obvious 'defence' is that the statistical evidence really don't matter"

Says the Nate Silver fan. Really pathetic.

I just posted 95 pages of evidence as to why the statistics don't matter. 'Yeah but you like Nate Silver' is a weak comeback, even for you.

Thread revived with a report contesting the evidence and all you do is post it again? You really love coups don't you?

Read the report, mate

Had more time to compare and contrast, and it's worse than I expected. The MIT analysis finds that there is no spike after the count was stopped, that is after 84% was counted. But the OAS report claimed to find a spike later on, after 95% was counted. That is, their story is that the count was stopped and done in secret, and the cheating started once it seemed necessary. That story might be wrong, or made up by the OAS, but it is kinda inexplicable that the WaPo article doesn't even mention it.

Fundamentally you just don't get it. Doubts have been placed in the report to justify the coup, but then it's what has been done since then too, and the repression of indigenous peoples and their democratic rights. I mean they've installed a puppet in place, forming alliances with Bolsanaro, who did not run against Lula.

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/02/bolivias-coup-in-practice

Just read the report, mate

if you read the MIT report (linked in the WaPo article) it does actually mention that the OAS claimed to find a spike at 95% and that's what their statistical analysis attempts to address.