*Intellectuals at ilxor dot com screaming A FOURTH TERM?!*
The reality:
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/26/bolivia-rightwing-military-dictatorship?
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link
Also Canada has not recognized Añez. I think this what europeans countries should do too. Put pressure on the notion that is really just an interim moment.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink
Lol
This is entirely predictable but still sickening. https://t.co/1lMUGYsuzM— Louis Allday (@Louis_Allday) November 29, 2019
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 November 2019 11:51 (four years ago) link
i bet bolivians have more on their mind than the status of their symbolic relationship with a country in the middle east
― Mordy, Friday, 29 November 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link
this seems like an awfully roundabout way of asserting that ilxor dot com has no intellectuals
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 29 November 2019 18:28 (four years ago) link
― Mordy, Friday, 29 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink
Symbolic huh?
As expected, the Bolivian post-coup junta plans to privatize the economy and reverse the gains of the last 13 years.The junta has already expelled 700 Cuban doctors, removed RT & Telesur from airwaves, and requested Israeli training of its military. https://t.co/Xfq7lhY0eQ— Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) December 16, 2019
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 09:04 (four years ago) link
Just an interim govt, yeah
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 09:05 (four years ago) link
Just ignore the fascist and his propaganda, you're not going to be accurately informed. He has this fantasy going on where he is a right-thinking strongman disciplining the weak of mind. He is just an idiot.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 09:23 (four years ago) link
Fred, can you stop this, you're only going to get banned again.
― Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 09:24 (four years ago) link
One week to Star Wars Fred. One week.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 09:38 (four years ago) link
Tom, he literally just wrote 'we will have to get dirty online' on your little safe-space thread. If you don't want your allies to be called fascists, try and stop them from becoming authoritarians ranting about ruthless discipline. Nothing he writes above is about being informing, it's about punishing Mordy and Van Horn Street for speaking out of line. He is a sad loser thinking he is doing his part for the revolutionen by leaning into his shittiness. You'd do a lot more for your cause by speaking out against him than me.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 09:47 (four years ago) link
Using a right-wing talking point to describe our little corner of the web is just beautiful. For a writer, you have a way with words!
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 09:51 (four years ago) link
(xp) He's not my 'ally'. Showing up on random threads to shout fascist at someone is nagl but so be it, your choice, there's only going to be one outcome.
― Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 10:12 (four years ago) link
Tom you don't know what you're talking about. This is not a 'random thread'. He literally cited Venezuela in yet another personal attack on me as late as yesterday! This guy is harassing me all over the board because I don't live up to his tankie ideals of 'anti-imperialism', and being completely open about doing it! And about wanting to do it to others!
Stay out of it if you don't want to know. You are literally defending online harassment, okay?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 10:25 (four years ago) link
I'm not literally defending anything. You're your own worst enemy.
― Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 10:28 (four years ago) link
New Paddington Bear film this Xmas Fred?
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 10:33 (four years ago) link
No Tom, I'm pretty sure my worst enemy is not me but the guy who is harassing me. Who is open about using harassment strategically for discipline and punishment. And open about wanting to do it more. And who kept shitting on me after I blocked him. Pretty sure that guy is causing this. I'm not angling for sympathy, but what you're doing is textbook victimblaming. Just stay out of it. You have your little safespace, but don't let his abuse spread to the rest of the board.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 11:32 (four years ago) link
Drop the 'little safespace' shite, Fred.
― Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 11:53 (four years ago) link
It's not safe from our Fred. Nothing is, sadly.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 12:01 (four years ago) link
I've said my piece, I'll leave you two to it.
― Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 12:02 (four years ago) link
Well it's not just the two of us. Fred kicks off against multiple people on here, which is why he's been banned twice. Might take a 3rd.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link
I have, of course, not been banned twice. Dishonest abuser is being dishonest.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 14:05 (four years ago) link
So once then? Aren't you ashamed of yourself?
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:04 (four years ago) link
as usual, Europeans making South America all about themselves. get another thread, fools, for your petty squabbles
― L'assie (Euler), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:09 (four years ago) link
I haven't lived in SA for a long time but do come from there. I revived with a report from Bolivia, but Fred is more important.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link
Lol, unbelievable.
The crazy thing is how out in the open it is. How honest he is about being ‘ruthless’ and ‘dirty online’. How obviously emotionally manipulative he is trying to be. How obviously he is trying to hurt. Me, and Van Horn Street, and Mordy, and imago and pom, etc. It’s just so obviously a harassment campaign. And all Tom can say is ‘please don’t call him a fascist’ and ‘don’t say safespace’.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link
It's a good job you're not angling for sympathy because I don't think you'll be getting much from anyone on here. As far as I'm concerned, you can call him a fascist all you like, all that will happen is you'll be banned from ILX.
― Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:18 (four years ago) link
Was this chump banned once or twice?
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 15:21 (four years ago) link
The thing that amazes me, Tom, is that you wrote yourself just last week Remoind me how many times Fred been banned now. No idea why Comrade Alphabet feels it necessary to keep winding him up though. If you were like 'nah, he is not harassing you, you're overreacting' that would be one thing, but you know it's his fault.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link
― glindr jackson (gyac), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link
And on a thread where we are trying to talk about an authoritarian coup in Latin America where people are being directly murdered.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 16:10 (four years ago) link
Lol loser https://t.co/DBsDDELKFN— Will🧙♂️Menaker (@willmenaker) January 5, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 January 2020 09:37 (four years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/07/venezuela-maduro-parliament-juan-guaido-leader
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 7 January 2020 19:09 (four years ago) link
Just reading this thread and came across the following:
Saying US involvement sucks doesn't contradict the notion that Russian involvement sucks even more. Plus looking at the history of US involvement, Venezuela is at the moment, very far from the worst. Also very far from the worst Russia has offered outside and within its borders.
The US military has killed, at a very conservative estimate, at least 12 million people in various "interventions" around the world since the end of World War II. Probably more. That dwarfs anything Russia has done in the same period of time.
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 15:15 (four years ago) link
yeah but america is the good guys tho
― 'Sly Cooper' Movie Breaking Into Theaters In 2016 (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 15:16 (four years ago) link
I'm sorry, that number is just completely pulled out of thin air. But even then I don't think it 'dwarfs' 2 million dead civilians in Afghanistan in the eighties.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 15:38 (four years ago) link
The refusal to acknowledge local agency in creating the violent uprisings that ended colonialism all over the world isn't actually progressive at all.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 15:47 (four years ago) link
Lol just catching up on Guaido:
Even Guaido looked shocked at the applause, like wow you guys really are fucked up— Dwayne (@dwayne937) February 5, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 16:40 (four years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/26/bolivia-dismissed-its-october-elections-fraudulent-our-research-found-no-reason-suspect-fraud/
― Dan I., Thursday, 27 February 2020 15:08 (four years ago) link
I bumped the Morales thread with that story but it can live here too of course.
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 February 2020 15:09 (four years ago) link
Ah, my bad, I didn't know about that thread and thought this was the one for all Central/South American socialism politics stuff
― Dan I., Thursday, 27 February 2020 15:15 (four years ago) link
The imperialists will say Morales should not have stood in the first place to defend this.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link
The obvious 'defence' is that the statistical evidence really don't matter, and that the OAS report investigated and found irregularities on the ground in Bolivia
― Frederik B, Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
But yes, of course Morales shouldn't have stood, it's insane to claim that as an 'imperialistic' view.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:44 (four years ago) link
Btw the OAS report is out in English, if people want to read it: http://www.oas.org/fpdb/press/Audit-Report-EN-vFINAL.pdf
― Frederik B, Thursday, 27 February 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link
"The obvious 'defence' is that the statistical evidence really don't matter"
Says the Nate Silver fan. Really pathetic.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 27 February 2020 23:28 (four years ago) link
I just posted 95 pages of evidence as to why the statistics don't matter. 'Yeah but you like Nate Silver' is a weak comeback, even for you.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 27 February 2020 23:39 (four years ago) link
Thread revived with a report contesting the evidence and all you do is post it again? You really love coups don't you?
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 27 February 2020 23:53 (four years ago) link
Read the report, mate
― Frederik B, Friday, 28 February 2020 00:01 (four years ago) link
Had more time to compare and contrast, and it's worse than I expected. The MIT analysis finds that there is no spike after the count was stopped, that is after 84% was counted. But the OAS report claimed to find a spike later on, after 95% was counted. That is, their story is that the count was stopped and done in secret, and the cheating started once it seemed necessary. That story might be wrong, or made up by the OAS, but it is kinda inexplicable that the WaPo article doesn't even mention it.
― Frederik B, Friday, 28 February 2020 11:54 (four years ago) link