The NFL plays as many games as they can without the average career length being 2 years
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 24 November 2019 04:01 (four years ago) link
yeah I'm not sure the two are really comparable
― k3vin k., Sunday, 24 November 2019 04:38 (four years ago) link
after reading more about the proposal I think I hate everything about it
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 November 2019 02:51 (four years ago) link
it's really telling that their brilliant ideas actually result in a scenario where some teams might play *more* than 82 games.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2019 02:56 (four years ago) link
there's not much to say about the in-season tournament idea other than it's a really stupid idea that no one will care about. bill simmons couldn't have even thought of this
the play-in games basically risk a 10 seed potentially advancing over a 7 seed with something like 10 more regular season wins, which makes me wonder what the point of the regular season is. it could encourage resting. and then you could have a 9 or 10 seed playing a 1 seed and making the first round even worse
the reseeding is a good idea but they should just do it 1-16
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 November 2019 02:58 (four years ago) link
they're just throwing darts because they can't fathom that fewer games is the solution
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2019 03:01 (four years ago) link
why does there have to be any solution? I know viewership is down this year but hadn't the league been doing great? have they considered that maybe it's temporary because the warriors suck and 2 of the 5 best players in the league are injured?
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 November 2019 03:15 (four years ago) link
not really a ratings guy but i would think that the two LA teams being good would mean the league had higher hopes for this year than what they're currently getting. i thought i heard that local broadcast ratings are down all over the place so it's not just national showcase games. while they're in the current round of tv contracts they will be doing great. problem comes when they need to renew in a couple years if ratings still aren't strong.
regardless of ratings, seems like we're hitting a crest of dissatisfaction with the 82-game schedule. the nba is more or less proposing to shuffle it which makes no sense to me. the midseason tournament is inane, i can't believe they're actually putting it out there.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2019 03:32 (four years ago) link
also "load management" is al over the media, not great press!
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2019 03:38 (four years ago) link
xp it’s actually bad that both of the Los Angeles teams are really good because East Coast markets don’t watch West Coast games
― i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Monday, 25 November 2019 14:21 (four years ago) link
Bill Simmons was 1st guy I heard talk about midseason tourney
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 25 November 2019 16:30 (four years ago) link
yeah
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:45 (four years ago) link
wasn't the original simmons plan to do a tourney for the 8th seed?
― call all destroyer, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:48 (four years ago) link
makes me wonder what the point of the regular season is
i think this about most american sports, tbh
― gbx, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
its to enjoy a bit of sport
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link
the nfl regular season is pretty perfect in that its fewer games and fewer teams making the playoff make it function almost on a playoff level
baseball i have no idea what goes on in the head of baseball watchers but having different pitchers on different days breaks up the monotony somewhat i guess
playoffless euro soccer is def the most rigorous system for picking the best team there will be no upsets but its kinda a bummer not having the "playoff atmosphere" they compensate for that by adding excitement w promotion/relegation and seeding for various other tournaments and with singing and rioting
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
another thing about euro soccer is theres like 9 teams across 5 leagues who have any chance and if youre a fan of a different team u just have to hope a russian oligarch improves yr fortunes
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link
also each country has its own league so the best players dont play each other
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link
it's better as a pre-TV, pre-night games sport. wandering over to the local stadium in your ratty suit and hat to check out your local squadron, the lush grass spread before you, it's a nice way to spend a summer day in the city.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 25 November 2019 17:11 (four years ago) link
oh going to the game is nice dont get me wrong and tbh i used to be a baseball watcher myself but i dont remember what i was thinking about now
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link
― lag∞n, Monday, November 25, 2019 12:06 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
there shd be one eurowide super league w promotion/relegation from the respective country systems
(and plz dont tell me theres already the euroleague i know the difference between a tournament and a league)
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2019 17:14 (four years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Monday, November 25, 2019 11:48 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah he came up with the bottom seed tourney at the end of the season iirc, never heard of this mid season thing till now
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 November 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
feel like he also talked abt the midseason thing or at least ive heard of it somewhere before
― lag∞n, Monday, 25 November 2019 18:01 (four years ago) link
i have now thought a bunch about these proposals and listened to some pros and cons and honestly i don't care for any of them. they don't offer any meaningful progress toward making either the regular season or the first round of the playoffs more competitive.
the play-in for the bottom of the playoffs is....fine. it will make the end of the reg season slightly more interesting and in theory reduce tanking at the top but i do wonder how the incentives will work out over time (e.g. if you're the 10 seed don't you really want to stay in the lottery even if you're playing well down the meaningless stretch at the end of the season?) but the first round 8/1 and 7/2 matchups will still suck and be worthless regardless of the outcome.
reseeding the final four is dumb and a very tactical response to an unfortunate situation from two finals ago. i still like the romance of having to go through a conference rival and seeing those matchups play out over a number of years. also the two teams in the finals have only played each other twice which adds some intrigue. the league needs to take the long view on this.
the tournament--here are the pros i've heard:
- there are ~10 teams right now with no winning tradition that would go all-in to win it- gradually over time interia will cause people and teams to care- it opens up the possibility of reducing the number of games even more over time- what the hell, nothing could be worse than the current regular season
it's telling that they can't even find a good time in the schedule to do it. where they've landed is probably the best bet but it's still really early and a lot of teams are just figuring out how they want to play.
my main thing is that even if you believe that ultimately it will become something that matters, the first couple years are going to be so, so bad. players aren't going to take it seriously. coaches are the most conservative people in the game probably and i doubt any of them are going to want to push their guys hard to win something in early december. i see it being awkward and weird and public perception could just render it d.o.a.
it's also the most roundabout possible way of trying to address lack of interest in the regular season. it doesn't make the non-tournament games matter more. it doesn't address load management. it sure as hell isn't going to make the season *feel* shorter or fix the slog that is march and april. the format is going to be confusing to casuals. the rumor that they're looking to do it at neutral sites is insane.
finally, maybe, just maybe, looking to european soccer with its own longstanding traditions and issues is not the best place to find inspiration to fix engagement in a relatively young american sports league. the reason the play the FA cup is because they've been playing the FA cup for 150 years, and afaik the only cool thing that happens in the FA cup is when a team from one of the lower divisions makes a run--the same thing that happens in the NCAA tournament which is also impossible to replicate in the nba. meanwhile, they conveniently do not look at one of the best features of the premier league which is that each team plays a home and home and every game feels like an event.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link
both the play-in and the midseason tournament are Really bad ideas imo. its classic fudging the results of a process instead of fixing the process to give better results
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 18:32 (four years ago) link
having fewer teams make the playoffs seems good but giving a whole round as a bye also seems dicey
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 20:18 (four years ago) link
mb go back to best of 5 first round with byes for the top 4 teams
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
i'd love to see them do something closer to the nfl first round. the top 2 teams in each conference have no reason to play a first round series, they're not losing it.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
why did they go to 7 games in 1st rnd? was that after nuggs beat the #1 seed in 94??
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 20:39 (four years ago) link
its was a while after that iirc
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 20:47 (four years ago) link
it changed in 2003. $$$$$
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link
the problem with first round byes is that’s two weeks off in which teams lose momentum and just get cold
― Clay, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
go back to the early 80s playoff system imo - 1st round is best-of-3 and the top 2 in each conf. get byes
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 21:17 (four years ago) link
to me the current playoff structure is not the problem, or at least not one of the problems that needs to be addressed first
― de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
i think the first round is a problem. they play 4 series that are perfunctory.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 21:44 (four years ago) link
agree w Spottie but also feel like changing playoffs is easier to accomplish than changes to reg season would be
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link
letting fewer teams into the offs wld increase the intensity of the regular season im thinking
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link
would also give even less teams hope or a shot at even one round of playoff revenue.
― de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link
The spurs and nuggets went to 7 games last year
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 22:32 (four years ago) link
The Cavs who made the finals in 2018 won their first round series in a game 7 by 4 points over the pacers.
― de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 22:34 (four years ago) link
not only this but the shorter the series, the more important home-court is
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 22:37 (four years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:32 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― de-mamba mentality (Spottie), Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:34 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
i'd happily give these up if we could lose the 1-8 every year.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 01:38 (four years ago) link
I do think it’s cool that the NFL has byes
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 01:44 (four years ago) link
more than half of teams making the offs is too much imo
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 01:47 (four years ago) link
i like the idea i heard somewhere that in the first round, a team that goes up 3-0 wins the series
― jesus is zing (symsymsym), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 03:27 (four years ago) link
one of the best features of the premier league which is that each team plays a home and home and every game feels like an event.
otm, the one home/one away game for each team is def a very good thing
― gbx, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 04:14 (four years ago) link
jfc
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EK9DIJsU8AEPd3m?format=jpg&name=medium
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/11/26/20983584/luka-doncic-giannis-antetokounmpo-lebron-james-schedule
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:53 (four years ago) link
can we fucking not? again, what problem are we solving??
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link
too many regular season games, which will be addressed by adding more games
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link
Clarity will come soon—
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link
I got a feeling we're going to see more and more such investigations.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 25 March 2024 23:21 (three weeks ago) link
Cmon, fellas. Either play professional basketball or gamble on professional basketball. Can't do both. It's a slap in the face to good people like me who pass up our shot at a successful NBA career so we can gamble on the games.
― Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 00:18 (three weeks ago) link
oh hes mpj's brother
― micah, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:26 (three weeks ago) link
mpj makes 30 mil a year! could have just given his little brother some money
― symsymsym, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:44 (three weeks ago) link
i mean hes making two million dollars this year on his own
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 01:46 (three weeks ago) link
this is sad, hope it’s not true
― brony james (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 06:33 (three weeks ago) link
xp is that right? i thought i saw he was on a two-way deal
― polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 11:35 (three weeks ago) link
pic.twitter.com/NCOhZsRXJR https://t.co/sA1Ycc0qCe— jimmy changa 🍉 (@sultanwaystar) April 6, 2024
― brony james (k3vin k.), Saturday, 6 April 2024 23:38 (one week ago) link
I love it lol
― I Chet the Holmgren (Spottie), Saturday, 6 April 2024 23:40 (one week ago) link
thats a foul, celtics did it last year anyway
― lag∞n, Saturday, 6 April 2024 23:41 (one week ago) link
that's at least a 'delay of game' warning no matter what else is going on.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 6 April 2024 23:47 (one week ago) link
the ball is in play tho. they’re just trying to run the clock
― brony james (k3vin k.), Saturday, 6 April 2024 23:53 (one week ago) link
Jokic had one the other day where he waited for the ref to get it then passed it to the ref then waited 5 seconds to pass it in then I think slow rolled it and it ate up like ~15 seconds of game time
― I Chet the Holmgren (Spottie), Saturday, 6 April 2024 23:56 (one week ago) link
looks like a rugby play starting except without the other 19 guys
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 7 April 2024 01:06 (one week ago) link