US Politics, November 2019: These people are truly sick.

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I thought it was a joke but apparently the Beastie Boys really did coin the term "mullet."

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 November 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link

So is Nunes going to follow through on his threats to sue CNN and the Daily Beast?

curmudgeon, Saturday, 23 November 2019 22:23 (four years ago) link

The Washington Post keeps saying that Pelosi and moderate Dems in House want a new Nafta deal because they think it will prove to voters in moderate Dem jurisdictions that not just impeachment is going on (while progressives contend it will only give 45 a victory). American Prospect says though:

the vast majority of the House Democratic Caucus are progressives on the issue of trade. They have staunchly insisted that without drastic changes, a new NAFTA is not worth having. They have taken their cues from AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, the offstage hero of this saga, who engaged with his own Twitter war with Trump this morning....

Two members of the working group have confirmed to me that nothing will be approved unless Trumka signs off on it.

my sources confirmed that the two sides are nowhere near an agreement. And of course, if Trump’s revised NAFTA is not approved in 2019, it will certainly not be approved in an election year as the impeachment drama reaches its climax.

Well played. https://prospect.org/labor/killing-nafta-softly/

curmudgeon, Saturday, 23 November 2019 22:38 (four years ago) link

Trumka vs Trump which Trum will will

akm, Saturday, 23 November 2019 22:42 (four years ago) link

Announcing a new NAFTA helps the largely victory-free Trump admin more than it helps Dems, imo. And even then, "we signed a new NAFTA!" doesn't seem a particularly good hook on which to hang a campaign. Better to let him keep scrambling wildly for deals, and let the Dems offer up instead the long list of voter-favored legislation they have put forward that the senate has not taken up.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 November 2019 23:38 (four years ago) link

Today I realized Nunes is pronounced more like “Noons” than “Núñez”

El Tomboto, Saturday, 23 November 2019 23:41 (four years ago) link

Is it? I thought the opposite

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 23 November 2019 23:57 (four years ago) link

Like noon-ez

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 23 November 2019 23:58 (four years ago) link

nooner

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Sunday, 24 November 2019 00:13 (four years ago) link

FAKE NUNES

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 24 November 2019 00:14 (four years ago) link

Omg

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 24 November 2019 01:44 (four years ago) link

There was a girl I went to high school with whose last name was Nunes, and she pronounced it noons.

nickn, Sunday, 24 November 2019 02:58 (four years ago) link

I like Betsy Woodruff Swan's reporting on this

Dan S, Sunday, 24 November 2019 03:21 (four years ago) link

President hiding in his bedroom

The Oval Office is the traditional epicenter of power for American presidents, but a new one is emerging that’s more exclusive, more secluded and more convenient.

President Donald Trump is increasingly morphing the White House residence into a second Oval. It’s become the place where Trump feels most productive, where he avoids meddling by his staff and where he speed-dials his network of confidantes, GOP lawmakers and TV pundits.

The residence was where Trump made the infamous July 25 phone call to the Ukrainian president that’s now at the center of impeachment proceedings. It’s where Trump often meets his personal attorneys to plot legal strategy or campaign advisers to shape 2020 campaign moves. And last week it became the location for a Trump meeting that’s as official as any, hosting Federal Reserve chair Jerome Powell — the target of countless Trump twitter attacks — along with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin for a Monday morning discussion of monetary policy.

Maintaining a sanctuary to work and think has taken on greater importance for the president as he increasingly feels under siege by the Democratic impeachment inquiry. Frustrated by the whistleblower complaint and a parade of administration officials testifying on Capitol Hill, Trump is as wary as ever of the staffers around him and distrustful of the traditional White House infrastructure. Working from his private quarters gives him space away from what he perceives as prying eyes and guards against his omnipresent fear of leaks to the media.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 24 November 2019 12:56 (four years ago) link

sounds like he's.... increasingly isolated

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 24 November 2019 13:02 (four years ago) link

Really just a matter of time until he's refusing to do business from anywhere but his couch cushion fortress.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Sunday, 24 November 2019 13:48 (four years ago) link

“the Democratic impeachment inquiry.”

Seeing this everywhere now, it’s the HOUSE impeachment inquiry ugh

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 24 November 2019 13:56 (four years ago) link

OK, Nunes is roughly my age. Plenty of dudes in my high school had that look.

Me too and I wouldn't have voted for any of them for anything except maybe picking up the keg.

process stuff:

CHUCK TODD: And one last thing, on the Senate trial, is one of the reasons you’re not going to fight to try to — in the courts right now for Bolton is that you believe – -there’s this theory that’s been on, I think, Talking Points Memo, a liberal news organization, Josh Marshall. There’s a legal theory running around that it’s a lot easier to get the Chief Justice to compel John Bolton to testify at a Senate trial than it would be waiting around to get him to Congress. Do you buy into that theory?

REP. ADAM SCHIFF: I think that may very well be true. Now, people like John Bolton, whose deputies had the courage to come in and testify, are going to have to answer one day why they saved what they knew for a book rather than tell the country when the country needed to know. But I do think that when it comes to documents and witnesses, that if it comes to a trial, and again we’re getting far down the road here, that the Chief Justice will have to make a decision on requests for witnesses and documents.

followed by this:

Some readers have said this is wishful thinking: why would John Roberts of all people help out here. This is the wrong way to look at this. I don’t know how Roberts will balance his partisan leanings with institutional or ethical considerations. The point is more one of speed. Given his role of Chief Justice, the composition of the Court and more, all these question will ultimately fall to him, whether through the conventional appellate process or at a Senate trial. The key in a Senate trial is that the decision comes quickly and in the open.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/adam-schiff-seems-to-agree

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Sunday, 24 November 2019 18:22 (four years ago) link

Maintaining a sanctuary to work and think

I encounter some kind of cognitive block when I try to picture this, almost as if the image turned me into what I regard Trump himself to be (minus his infinite capacity for reaction).

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Sunday, 24 November 2019 18:52 (four years ago) link

The plot sickens

The big picture is that when you have a crooked pres who makes it clear he wants foreigners to take out his political rivals lots of shady folks come out of woodwork https://t.co/VwFIrnRNG5 via @TPM

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 24, 2019

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 24 November 2019 19:18 (four years ago) link

why would that ledger be a forgery? the manafort became phenomenally wealthy working for the ukranian president who threw his opponent in jail is well documented. he is in prison for not disclosing all the money he made here.

treeship., Sunday, 24 November 2019 19:39 (four years ago) link

Can you believe people lie and create propaganda like this to keep you confused?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 24 November 2019 20:00 (four years ago) link

it's just these deflections are so fucking stupid. i won't belabor the point.

treeship., Sunday, 24 November 2019 20:02 (four years ago) link

Forgery has been practiced since the Sumerians used cylindrical personal seals to make impressions on mud.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 24 November 2019 20:06 (four years ago) link

It's just endless muddying, and honestly, when I read stories like that, I feel my mind slipping into this state of semi-credulity where I start to wonder if somehow it's true even though I know it isn't. Just being exposed to it feels corrupting.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 24 November 2019 20:10 (four years ago) link

Bud Cummins

insecurity bear (sic), Sunday, 24 November 2019 21:41 (four years ago) link

Nickname: Turbo Diesel

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 24 November 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link

I encounter some kind of cognitive block when I try to picture this

right, how could a face get any more constipated-looking

j., Monday, 25 November 2019 00:10 (four years ago) link

The House Intelligence Committee is in possession of audio and video recordings and photographs provided to the committee by indicted Giuliani associate Lev Parnas, multiple sources familiar with the matter tell ABC News. https://t.co/o0Up5JoKIj

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 24, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 01:54 (four years ago) link

Giuliani-Trump pee sex tape?

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 November 2019 01:56 (four years ago) link

With tax returns?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 November 2019 01:58 (four years ago) link

...and nudes?

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 25 November 2019 01:59 (four years ago) link

Generally sex involves nudity

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 November 2019 02:09 (four years ago) link

I hope it's a real game changer like audio of president bragging about sexual assault, or video of him saying he fired Jim Comey because of the Russia investigation

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 25 November 2019 02:28 (four years ago) link

imagine if it's the transcript of a phone call where he gets caught bribing Yelensky!

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 25 November 2019 02:29 (four years ago) link

wow fucked up

i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Monday, 25 November 2019 02:55 (four years ago) link

Generally sex involves nudity

Trump keeps his jacket and buttoned shirt on during coitus, carefully folding the base of his tie up and resting it upon the rump & small of the back of his unfortunate partner

insecurity bear (sic), Monday, 25 November 2019 05:24 (four years ago) link

oh look my lunch just came up

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 November 2019 05:56 (four years ago) link

xp relatable tbrr

Appleman Appears: 20/2/2020. Whose Cider You On? (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 25 November 2019 07:54 (four years ago) link

Over a week, still no golf.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 13:21 (four years ago) link

according to 538 support for impeaching Trump has gone down a couple % points since the Ukraine thing started

whatever the GOP is doing it's working

frogbs, Monday, 25 November 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link

I don't know if it's The Muddle so much as the bloom being off the rose.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 November 2019 14:36 (four years ago) link

people are so dumb they probably think he's been impeached already and don't support impeaching him again.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 14:51 (four years ago) link

Also, Americans are so annoyingly stubborn and contrarian it's possible that support has dropped because they know it's going to happen, so now they're more against it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 November 2019 14:51 (four years ago) link

They talked about this on the podcast, some of it is an artefact of methodology. They used to group together polls asking 'should be removed' 'should be impeached' and 'investigations should begin'. Not surprisingly, support was largest for the mildest option. But not that hearings have begun, nobody asks the last question, and support looks like it's going down.

Frederik B, Monday, 25 November 2019 14:56 (four years ago) link

Not surprising, the Times told me yesterday that congress has played to a draw on impeachment.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:00 (four years ago) link

Impeachment is a really serious thing. Playing to a draw is a big achievement, and a gigantic embarrassment for Trump!

Frederik B, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:04 (four years ago) link


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