amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

The perfect ending to this story would be for one of her lunatic fans to pick her up in some crappy homemade plane and go down in the Channel/North Sea.

Etsy Airlines

Oh god, oh god, the Honduran immigrants story.

(A thing can be socially acceptable and still a horrible insensitive dick move but)

AP is pretty clearly a dickhead whatever, witness a pattern of behaviour that, yes, exists on a continuum from embarrassing and tone-deaf to quite shit to repulsive, but has been pretty consistent for a long time

Having said that I’m in the same boat as most ilxors ito only really knowing her through the lens of this thread and latterly Twitter (ie “look at this fuck”) and was only recently subjected by a friend to a clip of some horrible song of hers - seeing her greatest hits being revived on social media has elicited some very grim chuckles I have to say

hadn't heard that story before:

My crew once pulled our van up to a really poor Miami neighborhood and we found out that our couchsurfing host for the night was an 18-year-old girl, still living at home, and her family were all undocumented immigrants from Honduras. And that night, her whole family took the couches and she slept together with her mom so that we could take their beds. And I lay there thinking, these people have so little. Is this fair? And in the morning, her mom taught us how to try to make tortillas and wanted to give me a Bible, and she took me aside and she said to me in her broken English, “Your music has helped my daughter so much. Thank you for staying here. We’re all so grateful.” And I thought, this is fair. This is this.

A couple months later, I was in Manhattan, and I tweeted for a crash pad, and at midnight, I’m ringing a doorbell on the Lower East Side, and it occurs to me I’ve never actually done this alone. I’ve always been with my band or my crew. Is this what stupid people do? Is this how stupid people die? And before I can change my mind, the door busts open. She’s an artist. He’s a financial blogger for Reuters, and they’re pouring me a glass of red wine and offering me a bath, and I have had thousands of nights like that and like that.

which honduran immigrants story? why am I looking into this trainwreck?

oh there it is

'i have exploited thousands and thousands of people'

On 16 November 2010, Palmer hosted a non-legally binding flash mob wedding for Gaiman's birthday in New Orleans.[128]

Lol that mookieproof one is gold!

Even 11 years ago, as someone pointed out upthread ... it was "edgy" but still socially acceptable. Dunno what kinda historical re-write you are aiming for, or maybe it's a UK vs. US thing, seriously do I need to pull up pages of ilx search results to prove you wrong? Because you are wrong.

― sarahell, Friday, November 22, 2019 4:05 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean, yes and no; it was fairly uncontroversially considered a slur and not just "edgy," but also, even in the most mainstream of mainstream you had stuff like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JL6vKB5qMU

even in the most mainstream of mainstream you had stuff like this

Notably changed to "let's get it started" for radio.

well, yeah, it's radio

woah I had no idea that was the real title

^^^ I didn't know for years myself, not being a buyer of Black Eyed Peas albums. And frankly "Let's Get It Started" is a better title/song - it made its adoption as a Jock Jam not just totally appropriate, but inevitable.

I never knew there was a cleaner title tbh. The r-word version was the one I remember from MuchMusic.

pffft that's not how you get it started

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgOk1p1aHqE

^^^ I didn't know for years myself, not being a buyer of Black Eyed Peas albums. And frankly "Let's Get It Started" is a better title/song - it made its adoption as a Jock Jam not just totally appropriate, but inevitable.

this thread is something

oh my god if you have access to Amanda Palmer's patreon please please please send me screenshots of what's inside this post pic.twitter.com/tAtuWP5hZR

— Jane (@JaneOst_) November 23, 2019

Twitter user Jane is delirious with joy at AP’s shitposts

Sounds like ilxor material

I got to the end of that thread and as stupid as it still is, I'm still just so happy about the eyebrows.

I want to say Black Eyed Peas changed the song midstream, which is to say, after it had already gotten some traction. I saw them right around the time the album came out (they were touring with/opening for N*E*R*D), and I absolutely remember them introducing the song by talking about its original title and explaining why they were changing it. (The Black Eyed Peas show was awesome, btw, not going to lie. So much better than the headliners, who not only iirc sucked, but did so while performing standing on a picnic table.)

So Laura updated her Twitter thread this morning:

It turns out there’s more. From the Tim Ferriss show in April. “I can’t stop thinking about how I want to win her over, and change her mind, and force her to love me, and connect with me, and see the light. It’s almost bordering on a mental obsession.” https://t.co/WOuNhE1Md7 pic.twitter.com/1cFEpex0iP

— Laura Snapes (@laurasnapes) November 23, 2019

Or I should say yesterday morning.

what a weirdo

"almost"
"bordering"

"The fact that that's my Achilles' heel, that's the bear trap that my leg is in right now, speaks a lot about what I am"

no shit lady

i think cancel culture has gotten out of hand and overblown but I'm happy to make an exception in this case, what can we do?

The feature-not-a-bug part of all this is that if it weren't for her periodic outbursts of horribleness I would have forgotten all about Amanda Palmer years ago. So I guess it works for her on some level.

i didn't know she was married to neil gaiman

she is a sociopath

is she in the CATS! movie? She really should be/have been.

no, because I'm going to be hella stoned when I see that and I don't want her fucking with my buzz

Amanda Palmer = George Costanza

https://youtu.be/egwXofQqQ18

In most of the fan comments on AP's tweets there's all this praise for her honesty, which I guess makes me realize that honesty is not something I seek from artists.

“honesty”

The Lena Dunham of music

man she is so much worse than lena dunham and the only thing they have in common is that they are women narcissists

AP abuses power the way that a televangelist abuses power afaict -- with a facade of phony goodwill and a megaphone that is granted by sad needy sycophants :(

i don't even know if it's conscious or not but it reminds me of gaslighting a bit, like she's clearly someone who gets cornered on an issue and lashes out (cf firing her employee after concerns were raised about her use of the "n" word), and when she doesn't have devotion from someone she feels threatened and uses this facade of goodwill and understanding (creating some level of plausible deniability) and turns unwanted attention towards this person who doesn't like her. she also reminds me of the stepmom from fleabag.

yes, she exhibits the behavior of an abusive person
Deny
Attack
Reverse Victim & Offender

something about the niche adulation she receives and exploits really grosses me out the way that Morrissey's racism is worse to me than, say, Ted Nugent..a sense of trust with their feelings that their fans have

ok then the Ma Anand Sheela of music

xposts

LL otm

Apparently she and Neil Gaiman were quarantining in New Zealand, but he fucked off and went back to the UK. She wrote about it on her Patreon because of course she did: https://www.patreon.com/posts/36720010

Was just coming here to post that. Congratulations to Gaiman for breaking out of the asylum, I guess?

He posted a slightly salty tweet about her patreon post, buddy, you knew what you were getting into

this reinforces my visceral lizard-brain repellence at a salutation like "hey loves" or "my darlings" or "dearest dearhearts" or any sort of hyper-affectionate opener to a newsletter. being lumped into "group of people who love me" by any person makes me feel so gross!
she makes my skin crawl :(

I was actually surprised that it took her so long to do something "newsworthy" considering the circumstances of Covid-19 have created an even larger captive audience for her performance of self ... literally captive.

https://i.imgur.com/isTQfFZ.gif