Sleater-Kinney breaks up

...well yeah

what do Don 'n' Ghost of Glenn think of S-K?

Is there a female precedent?

The Pretenders spring to mind. Though TBF one member was fired, another died, and then the fired member died.

i mean comparing the general ethos of SK to the Eagles is just absurd

Generally, I would have said so, too, until that Janet interview. Like, “"The roles changed within the band, and they told me the roles changed,” Weiss said of her former band mates Carrie Brownstein and Corin Tucker. “I said, ‘Am I just the drummer now?’ They said yes. And I said, ‘Can you tell me if I am still a creative equal in the band?’ And they said no. So, I left.” That is totally corporate and asshole and Eagles to not fire her and just tell her she's not an equal and she's welcome to stay (apparently) but she's just the drummer. (I assume that means they were going to cut her pay, too.) That type of behavior was presumably against the SK ethos, too, but here we are.

This is how Janet should have handled it:

Leadon was disillusioned with the direction the band's music was taking and his loss of creative control as their sound was moving from his preferred country to rock and roll. His dissatisfaction, principally with Frey, boiled over one night when Frey was talking animatedly about the direction they should take next, and Leadon poured a beer over Frey's head, and said: "You need to chill out, man!"

i saw S-K in chicago a couple of months ago and mostly made me realize that while i consider myself a fan of the band, i never really listened extensively to any of their albums after "all hands on the bad one" and they have four albums since then that i barely know. so they would start playing some "old" song and everyone would get really excited and i would have no idea what it was because it was from "one beat." the weirdest was "modern girl" off "the woods" which is their most popular song on spotify and everyone was having a big sing-along and i had never heard it before. it doesn't sound like a sleater-kinney song to me. obviously this is on me.

Really this comparison conversation should be about bands whose drummer is central to the character of the band. I mean, all of them, obviously, but bands where the drummer was replaced and there was a big backlash from fans?

In the podcast Janet talks more about how important it is that their personal relationships reflect their ideals, which is probably key here (and she's a great drummer obv).

the shittier thing is that Wyman’s replacement Darryl Jones has now been in the band for 30 years on freelance fees, compared to Wood’s 14 or so on salary

― insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:49 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

In a reverse of this, Zak Starkey has been playing with the Who since 1996, but when they offered to make him a permanent member of the band, he turned them down.

Really this comparison conversation should be about bands whose drummer is central to the character of the band. I mean, all of them, obviously, but bands where the drummer was replaced and there was a big backlash from fans?

This happened with Slayer. Dave Lombardo was crucial to their sound - he drove the band, basically - and when they replaced him with Paul Bostaph their music got a lot more monochromatic and generic and rhythmically bland, to my ear. (It didn't help that they started experimenting with groove metal and even nu-metal sounds during that period, too.) I don't know how much of a "fan backlash" there was, but there was a noticeable difference.

The Pretenders spring to mind. Though TBF one member was fired, another died, and then the fired member died.

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Martin Chambers was also fired (in 1986) and rehired (around 1994).

haha when I saw SK a couple years ago I had the same experience with “Modern Girl” - the whole crowd sang along and I was like “...I don’t even know this one?”

Carrie used it to title her memoir which I imagine has lent it even greater significance to fans.

the woods was a popular album

It's the only S-K album I know well! It's really good. I gather the earlier albums have their proponents too

The tour for The Woods was phenomenal.

One of the main reason I felt content when they broke up. I think I saw three of those shows, the last from the side of the stage.

Slayer is a good example!

Jimmy Chamberlin

My thread from whenever:

Let's List Bands That Got Worse with the Departure of a Drummer