This is a huge point that I don't think people — who are used to having two sane candidates on the ballot — are fully dealing with yet. The sheer flames-on-the-side-of-the-face hatred people have for Donald Trump is something political journalists and pollsters refuse to acknowledge or ask about.― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:37 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:37 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
#Trump's Nov. 1 visit to support Tate Reeves boosted Republican voter turnout in Northeast #Mississippi by 5%, but gave Democrats in the region a 12% boost, Chism Strategies wrote in an "Open Letter to Mississippi Democrats" late last week. #mselex #msgov https://t.co/Sd87fplsB3 pic.twitter.com/DFl5Y2ADwb— Jackson Free Press (@JxnFreePress) November 19, 2019
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
Gordon Shumway
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
I see someone hears the bus approaching
Republican lawyer doesn’t do his own research and preparation, and is instead picking up Democrat lies, shame.Allow me to inform him: I have NO financial interests in Ukraine, NONE! I would appreciate his apology.— Rudy Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) November 20, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
it is very normal, when not committing crimes, to answer the question "what do you want?" with "I WANT NOTHING! I WANT NOTHING! I WANT NO QUID PRO QUO!"
lol. jfc
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link
What do you want?
NOTHING!
When do you want it?
NO QUID PRO QUO
That's not what I asked..
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link
honestly, i think he probably does think that exonerates him, because he has a lifetime's experience covering up his crimes by using indirect mobspeak to order people to do things, allowing him to cast enough doubt later on to tie up the whole thing in litigation for years
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link
I've always thought "I Want Nothing" was the most under-appreciated Whitney single
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:08 (four years ago) link
I have NO financial interests in Ukraine, NONE!
I'm guessing that depends on what the meaning of "have" and "in" are.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link
btw, as josh marshall reminds, this whole "NO QUID PRO!" barking from trump came AFTER the whistleblower report was making it's way up the chain:
Clarifying many points in the Ukraine scandal drama requires simply stating the obvious. And nowhere more so than in this now notorious Trump/Sondland phone call in which the President barked “no quid pro quo” to Sondland multiple times and said he wanted “nothing” from President Zelensky of Ukraine. The President and his supporters have rather implausibly put this forward as total exoneration. After all, in a private call, when asked what he wanted he said “no quid pro quo.”But of course the timing and even the contextual logic is key.The Trump/Sondland call was on September 9th. As we know, just two days later on September 11th the President did in fact release the aid because they’d been caught. The existence of the whistleblower report was going public. The jig was up.More than a week earlier the acting Director of National Intelligence had gone to the White House Counsel’s office to get guidance on what to do with the whistleblower report on the President’s actions. This was after the White House Counsel’s office had learned that someone at the CIA had raised concerns. But at that point they knew definitively that there was a whistleblower report. The White House and the Justice Department went to great lengths to keep the report secret and avoid the statutory requirement to share it with the congressional intelligence committees. The DOJ’s Office of Legal Counsel issued a report on September 3rd that the report did not have to be shared with Congress.
But of course the timing and even the contextual logic is key.
The Trump/Sondland call was on September 9th. As we know, just two days later on September 11th the President did in fact release the aid because they’d been caught. The existence of the whistleblower report was going public. The jig was up.
More than a week earlier the acting Director of National Intelligence had gone to the White House Counsel’s office to get guidance on what to do with the whistleblower report on the President’s actions. This was after the White House Counsel’s office had learned that someone at the CIA had raised concerns. But at that point they knew definitively that there was a whistleblower report. The White House and the Justice Department went to great lengths to keep the report secret and avoid the statutory requirement to share it with the congressional intelligence committees. The DOJ’s Office of Legal Counsel issued a report on September 3rd that the report did not have to be shared with Congress.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/quid-pro-quo-the-critical-backstory
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link
I fed the first part of Trump's I WANT NOTHING note into @OpenAI's Neural Network on https://t.co/SlTLJPJh3z and the computer did the rest pic.twitter.com/fS43ZLoEoY— Emily Heller (@MrEmilyHeller) November 20, 2019
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
― tobo73, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
I approve of this adhttps://youtu.be/pkTx6sm4S-U
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:30 (four years ago) link
So Mike Turner and Mark Meadows's entire argument is because Trump didn't say "I am directing u 2 do a quid pro quo", that it wasn't one?
Brb, "obtaining" money from the bank
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:33 (four years ago) link
This is a huge point that I don't think people — who are used to having two sane candidates on the ballot — are fully dealing with yet. The sheer flames-on-the-side-of-the-face hatred people have for Donald Trump is something political journalists and pollsters refuse to acknowledge or ask about.
Well, if you're not having that emotion in a folksy midwestern diner, are you really having it at all?
Folksy midwestern diners are our only reliable means of measuring political sentiment, per NYT
― they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:39 (four years ago) link
Removal won't happen but at least today's testimony will make the post-exoneration backlash against Congressional Democrats look ridiculous.
― Bnad, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:41 (four years ago) link
Republicans must really be confused when they watch mob movies. Luca Brasi obviously has an underwater bunker where he goes to sleep at night.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link
The NYT just asks the gaggle of old men in feed caps drinking Folger's from a heavy white china mug in Carly's Hometown Café at the corner table in the back. They'll tell you the price of soybeans has taken a hit, but if it takes those damn Chinese down a peg, then its their patriotic duty to back the president and the USA. QED.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link
Who was that clown who got elected to Congress and admitted that he had to look up 'extortion' in the dictionary this morning?
― Yul, Tied: A Celebration of Brynner in Bondage (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link
*whitney houston voice* I WANT NOTHING! NOTHING! NOTHIIIIING! WITH NO QUID.... PRO QUOOOOO
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:08 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
ah shit i missed this lol
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:48 (four years ago) link
well he's no lawyer dontcha know xxp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:48 (four years ago) link
― brigadier pudding (DJP),
fuck I was gonna make this joke, I won't go to lunch next time.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:55 (four years ago) link
Sure glad we have Republicans to keep reminding me that Javelin missiles are better than blankets.
― A breezy pop-rock feel fairly typical of the mid-'80s (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:58 (four years ago) link
GOP going down some serious Chewbacca Defense rabbit holes today.
WHY IS HUNTER BIDEN NOT TESTIFYING BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE? WHYEEEEEEE?!?
― Yul, Tied: A Celebration of Brynner in Bondage (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:59 (four years ago) link
Javelin missiles are better than blankets.
have they inadvertently discovered the solution to the problem of homelessness in our cities?
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:00 (four years ago) link
lol, I scooped Brad AND Alfred
my work here is done
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:02 (four years ago) link
take a bow, sir
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:11 (four years ago) link
xp"I CAN'T PULL THE WING OVER MY EYEBALL" is the NEW "I CAN'T TURN MY FACE INTO A HEART."
― nickn, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:11 (four years ago) link
this is the kind of thing that worries me about the Dem field
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/471335-poll-trump-leads-top-democratic-opponents-in-wisconsin
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
in case anybody thinks I'm ignoring anything, voter suppression in 2016 (via the voter ID law) significantly forced down the African American vote, making the "swing" votes of non-college-educated white men more impactful.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
that law is still on the books...
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
who is Val Demmings? I like her.
― akm, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
Rep. Maloney just utterly ended any friendly feelings Sondland and Democrats may have been sharing.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:24 (four years ago) link
Meantime
JUST IN -- new statement from @statedeptspox from Pompeo's plane, currently in mid-flight:"Gordon Sonland never told Secretary Pompeo that he believed the President was linking aid to investigations of political opponents. Any suggestion to the contrary is flat out false.”— Josh Lederman (@JoshNBCNews) November 20, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:28 (four years ago) link
the one lonely amigo's changing story is going to give them some ammunition to cast his story as dubious
― akm, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/WXW5gSR.png
"What do you want from Ukraine?" He asks me, screaming. "what do you want from Ukraine!? I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories!" This is Ambassador Sondland speaking to me. To which I turned off the television. "What do you want from Ukraine, I keep hearing all these different ideas and theories! What do you want? What do you want?" It was a very short and abrupt conversation that he had with me.
― 💠 (crüt), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
xpost Trudat though the various emails etc. rather help.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
Nunes wearing pinstripes and a spotted tie. He's dressed like Paula Poundstone circa 1989.
― akm, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:33 (four years ago) link
lolol @ Republicans criticizing Vindman for wearing his uniform. Can you imagine, someone trying to hide behind the military and patriotism??? Lt Col Ollie North can't even fathom such a thing.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:33 (four years ago) link
the headlines over at foxnews are something else
― gbx, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:35 (four years ago) link
One reaction to the impeachment hearings: As a conservative, I like the judges, the deregulation, the energy renaissance, and more. I have a deep-seated, healthy fear of the Left. But Trump & Co. are such g**damned liars. This cannot be gotten around. Character counts -- a lot.— Jay Nordlinger (@jaynordlinger) November 20, 2019
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:39 (four years ago) link
lol @ "energy renaissance"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
is he talking about all the coal plants that have been shut down
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:41 (four years ago) link
the safe out for sen gop is death or resignation u know
― and i approve this message (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:46 (four years ago) link
(lol not their own)
re "energy renaissance", i assume he's talking about this
https://i.imgur.com/2J0rg9P.jpg
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:47 (four years ago) link
one question i keep asking myself about a republican talking point that keeps coming up is "WTF did Ukraine have to gain by meddling in the US elections ?"
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:49 (four years ago) link
xpost Maybe he's a Belle & Sebastian fan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKTDiWslOPo
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:49 (four years ago) link
"WTF did Ukraine have to gain by meddling in the US elections ?"
i'm not sure, but i'm sure Russia has some good prepared answers for that the GOP could borrow
― Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link
this is the kind of thing that worries me about the Dem field https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/471335-poll-trump-leads-top-democratic-opponents-in-wisconsin
I'm a bit suspicious of this, Dems won big here in 2018 and most other polls of the state showed Trump losing to everyone.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:51 (four years ago) link