Sleater-Kinney breaks up

idk that it was bullshit, i mean it's entirely possible

a lot of things are possible but not probable

I also just think it's more about how much ppl care about SK and how much each member had an identity....like Minutemen

it would just seem a bit strange for SK to intentionally box her out considering what i'm sure is their self-awareness of their image, but who really knows. Cheap Trick booted Bun E. Carlos so anything's possible.

Carrie and Corin may have just found a way to work together that didn't involve Janet and, as things progressed, they realized they didn't want or need her input. I doubt there was any underhanded scheming, or that Carrie and Corin hatched a sinister plan (something Gene and Paul have made a second career out of). They obviously wanted Janet to stay in the band, and assumed she would, since the tour was booked and announced before she quit. It's possible they just didn't realize how or to what degree she was contributing, beyond her drumming.

Also, Bun E. was a dick, and his complaint about "Why are we scheduling shows around Robin's daughter's kindergarten classes?" was the last straw. From what I understand, it was a long time coming.

I wonder if them saying "no" and that she is "just the drummer" is more of Janet's cumulative takeaway or indeed a somewhat literal recounting of their conversations.

XP In addition to health problems,Bun E. wanted to get off the road and just play Vegas, which Zander & Peterson objected to.

I knew about the internal drama a bit, Robin and Bun were not pals after awhile for sure. I think Bun is cool with Nielsen at least, I know Daxx hangs w/some members of Bun's current band in Rockford at least.

quotes from janet are v sad. i get the sense that they are probably not really friends anymore which i realize is not anyone's business but theirs but still bums me out.

as a drummer i would feel bad if my band transitioned from jam-based songwriting to two members constructing songs in isolation that i was later presented with. the latter approach isn't *wrong*, it's just alienating if you previously felt like an equal partner in the sound and energy of a band. it makes total sense to me why she left, and it sucks, but i can't really fault either party

i'm sure carrie and corin made that shift bc they wanted to do something different that would not only expand the band's sound and longevity, but to make the process more interesting and vital for themselves

exactly!! brad otm. a change of role could mean the difference between wanting to play in that band and not. also the differences in style between JW and New Drummer are interesting and also very normal. i am a sub drummer and had some interesting revelations about differences in style recently. it's all part of the agreement of playing music together imo to negotiate these things; usually, though it's something i think should be done together and not after having to ask "so, am i a creative equal y/n?"

Boylan used to play in a S-K cover band too.

omg no way
lol

that's not a derisive lol, it's a knowing lol
what a great experience!!

on some level this bugs me more just because the idea of "songwriting" always privileges chord changes/lyrics/vox over the rhythm section which I think is really myopic but that's a larger issue than SK and the baggage I'm bringing in

LL, brad, ums OTM.

And ums, yeah, Janet's parts, and the way she played them, are as much a part of the song as any other element.

if carrie and corinn wanted to do something different without janet they could have called it something other than sleater-kinney

that is definitely what they should have done

They could do that in the future, but I doubt it. They did two albums before her, and I can kind of seeing them continuing on without her ala The Who or Stones--as long as the 'core' is there, they'll be Sleater-Kinney.

I'm sorry there's enmity, but bands move on.

I love the record, so I'm sympathetic toward Weiss and Brownstein, and it's Weiss' right to leave if she no longer had a say in the songwriting or direction. I think it worked out for everyone.

It'll work out when we get that sweet new Quasi.

I think it worked out for everyone.

Aside from the car accident.

well, yeah

Saw them in LA last week (won tickets lol)
Don't know any of their songs but it was v v good
That's all

Such a drag

Disappointed in Carrie + Corin

I can kind of seeing them continuing on without her ala The Who or Stones

Ouch

Exactly

Reminds me of Husker Du & The Smiths

Nothing against either Carrie or Corin, but this whole thing is a bummer and it's kept me from giving the album a fair shake. (yes I realize this is my fault)

Btw, I theorized about a possible replacement upthread, and I hear they asked her but she wasn't interested.

Boylan used to play in a S-K cover band too.

― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:15 AM (forty-two minutes ago)

omg no way
lol

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:20 AM (thirty-seven minutes ago)

that's not a derisive lol, it's a knowing lol
what a great experience!!

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, November 21, 2019 6:21 AM (thirty-six minutes ago)

Looks like this was a one-off for a few songs only, in 2001? It's definitely fun when bands recruit replacements from fans and tributers and whatnot: Suede replacing Bernard Butler with a teenager who'd written him fan letters, You Am I recruiting as second guitarist a guy who ran a YAI guitar tab site, Judas Priest hiring the singer from a tribute band, Journey hiring the singer from a Filipino tribute band that they found by looking up Journey tribute bands on youtube...

Nothing against either Carrie or Corin, but this whole thing is a bummer and it's kept me from giving the album a fair shake. (yes I realize this is my fault)

same

it's a much better album than the Woods, I'll give it that.

Didn't Wire hire a tribute band that played their Punk stuff as an opening act?

Idk about The Woods but it’s definitely better than No Cities to Love, which mostly felt like an alternative universe compilation of the eighth or ninth best songs on their previous albums.

I kinda feel like this is the last gasp of S-K not the new beginning

Didn't Wire hire a tribute band that played their Punk stuff as an opening act?

With Jim DeRo on drums!

haha wow

new record is one of their best imo

I’ll never understand the reverence this band is treated with

I was wondering if/how Corin changed the words to “Step Aside.” Just watched a recent clip, and “Janet! Carrie! Can you feel it?” is now “Tell me, one time, can you feel it?”

"Angie" would scan.

Yeah but she’s “just the drummer” so she prob won’t be included

Xp - Judas Priest guy was from my hometown ! Used to perform in his JP cover band at a venue near my childhood home!

I thought it was cool in the reunion shows when they did "...Joey Ramone" and switched Kim for Thurston, even though they sang it as 'Kim Gore-Don'.

”Angie" would scan.

True, but if Angie doesn’t stick around, then it might seem awkward in the future that there’s recordings where a onetime touring drummer is addressed. Also, the other two session musicians might feel put out at not being mentioned. Corin should just elongate that line and name everyone, including Janet.

Yeah but she’s “just the drummer” so she prob won’t be included

Or maybe also if they did certain Stan's would blowing up social media with "HOW DARE THEY...!"

They didn't play "Step Aside" at my show.

Also, the other two session musicians might feel put out at not being mentioned. Corin should just elongate that line and name everyone, including Janet

And Lora McFarlane!

Nothing against either Carrie or Corin, but this whole thing is a bummer and it's kept me from giving the album a fair shake. (yes I realize this is my fault)

― Simon H., Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:13 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

also agree w/this, janet's drumming was such a huge part of s-k's appeal when i first got into them.

Explicitly demoting a member is such a corporate rock move, a la Pink Floyd reducing Rick Wright to work-for-hire session guy because he didn't chip in enough cash to start-up nu-Floyd, or Bon Jovi firing Richie Sambora or Sabbath kicking out Bill Ward on their farewell tour or Mac dumping Buckingham. Purely mercenary.

I think I heard the new album once because someone played it when we were camping, but I didn't like the last one very much and frankly, when the band broke up I was more than satisfied and didn't need new music from S-K in any form.

You and me both calstars
Xos

bon jovi fired richie sambora??!??!?!?

nothing is sacred