2020 Democratic presidential primary

Pete and Joe are riding high = it has not sunk in

the myth of the Good Republican is going to outlast us all

obviously "bipartisan" and "bringing people together" are popular with focus groups. If "burn the fuckers down" tested as well that's what pete would be saying.

Again...video is nine years old

Back then mainstream Dems said "they go low, we go high" and less people laughed

oh yeah, I forgot that he's never talked about bipartisanship or bringing people together since then

Mainstream Dems were stupid then, yes, and many still stupid. That's why they need to be replaced.

Just talkin about the dumb vid. Lest i need to say for the third fucken time that I'm not a Buttigieg stan

I am voting for Bob Marley

I forgot that he's never talked about bipartisanship or bringing people together since then

Then find some clips of him saying awful things in the past year and post them and we'll all point in horror at them together. God knows he's been running his mouth enough during that time to fill volumes of quotes and hundreds of hours of video. But nine years ago Buttigieg would have been 28 years old, not an age notable for fully matured judgment. He deserves to be judged for his more contemporary failings.

yeah like manufacturing black endorsements. I mean if that doesn’t sink you in a dem primary in 2019...

lol

My first intvw w/ Mayor Pete was in July, when he told me he was re-reading "The Fire Next Time." In November, he told @ClareMalone he was re-reading "The Fire Next Time." https://t.co/fflDEypbc1 Granted, he's been a bit busy, but he seems to be a very slow (re-)reader. pic.twitter.com/HjW0pPRoGy

— Jason Zengerle (@zengerle) November 19, 2019

this guy just reeks of bullshit.

otm. so did Trump, but the bullshit detectors of the US voter seems to be suffering from olfactory fatigue

I forgot that he's never talked about bipartisanship or bringing people together since then

Then find some clips of him saying awful things in the past year and post them and we'll all point in horror at them together.

??? This is all he ever does. And here's why:

Joe Schmidt from West Des Moines was in the crowd and says he’s leaning towards supporting Buttigieg in the Iowa caucuses.
“He’s not going too far in one direction and he’s trying to bring people together,” Schmidt, who recently changed his party registration from Republican to Democrat, said.

Vicki Stout says she’s trying to decide between Sanders, Warren and Buttigieg.She acknowledges the mayor is a different kind of candidate but he represents the next
generation of Democrats. “I would like somebody that could bring our country’s people together rather than have the current divisiveness we have with our current
administration,” Stout said.

“I also will not tire from the effort to include everyone in this future we are trying to build. Progressives, moderates and Republicans of conscious who are ready for a change,” Buttigieg said from the stage. “The time has come!”

A New York Times poll out that same day showed Buttigieg surging to third place in Iowa – It also found most Democrats favor someone who would work with Republicans.

Republicans of conscious [sic] who are ready for a change

Seems like his usual tepid mush to me. In the quote he doesn't seem to be making the mistake of reaching out specifically to Tea Partiers and other proudly intolerant types. It reads like a straight up appeal to the tattered remnants of moderate republicanism, which may only be less than 10% percent of the GOP, but there's no apparent harm in trying to steal them away.

To me, the worse crime is trying to steal them by offering voters nothing but empty platitudes and posturing in place of stating concrete policy goals that can be tested. Also pulling shit like claiming endorsements from influential blacks who immediately deny the claim and are shocked he made it.

It's 2019, there are no moderate Republicans. Linc Chafee found no one to breed with and they went extinct in 2007.

how are Republicans going to convincingly rally around the "Trump was investigating Corrupt Sleepy Joe Biden" defense if they're out here talking about how much they like & respect Joe Biden

She acknowledges the mayor is a different kind of candidate but he represents the next generation of Democrats.

lol what

there are no moderate Republicans

Trump's approval rating among Republican voters hovers just at or below 90%. As I noted, this leaves less than 10% of Republican voters who might even consider voting against Trump (and for our lad Pete) in 2020. Of those, when push comes to shove, most will still vote for Trump, out of tribal loyalty and the inability to face a Democrat sitting in the WH.

I don't see looking for those votes as a sound strategy, so it's obvious that Buttigeig is just trolling for wishful-thinking Democrats and independents. But his "heal the country and reach out to Republicans" does reflect those voters' desires, even if they are wholly unrealistic desires and a recipe for failure. Seems like 25% of Iowan democrats are lapping it up right now.

I think there are moderates who aren't really plugged into the extra psychotic current iteration of Republican party but still consider themselves "Republicans" based on their own idiosyncratic rose colored glasses idea of what the GOP is

Sanders at Liberty was the first thing I thought about when I saw this. jesus h christ, politicians are always going to talk to and about people who aren't their natural supporters and try to find common ground. Look how well writing them off and calling them deplorables worked. I mean I agree with it but that's why I'm not a politician.

tbf i think the context of "deplorables" was when people like David Duke were publicly proclaiming their support for Trump

yeah I can't even remember now.

bread basket of deplorables

binders full of deplorables

this campaign is really missing some catchy transient meaningless horseshit

we've got world enough and time for that

chris longview did not like me posting sanders at Liberty as a response to his tweet and has blocked me. I think that's my first Twitter block!

Instead of providing free college tuition for the children of millionaires and billionaires, I will open doors of opportunity for Americans who choose not to go to college with massive investments in apprenticeships, workforce training, and lifelong learning programs.

— Pete Buttigieg (@PeteButtigieg) November 19, 2019

Fuck you, Pete

Working hard to top Jim Webb as the most reprehensible Democratic candidate of my adult life.

what a shithead

way to stick it to the children of millionaires and billionaires, who really don't need that college money, by not giving money to the children of non-millionaires and non-billionaires, who really do

(we could also figure out how to keep college tuition from skyrocketing every year)

The whole "just go into a trade" thing infuriates me beyond belief.

There's obviously too many college graduates for the number of professional and managerial roles. How many of the highly educated writers on ILX make what an accomplished welder can?

Other countries like Germany have had more success bifurcating their educational system in what is for America, high school. There are respected trade schools. For this to work on a society wide basis, there would have to be less denigration of less "intellectually challenging" roles. In Germany this is accomplished in part by much higher minimum wages, legislation that labor has prominent representation on corporate boards, etc.

A business degree in Germany isn't a lottery ticket to potentially make 300x what a line worker does. Or to work as a barista.

Most "accomplished welders" survive doing incredibly mundane and/or dangerous tasks. They aren't out here running artisanal industrial furniture shops.

The issue isn't "intellectually challenging roles," it's about the median plumber salary being equivalent to a first year accountant - and only one of those is going to need a couple of knee surgeries because of his job.

Even in an ideal world where people in the trades and manual laborers are more fairly compensated, the work - overall - fucking sucks compared to an office job. Consigning people to that life fucking sucks, too - it's not the child of an executive VP being told to go run wire.

think that's right

Even in an ideal world where people in the trades and manual laborers are more fairly compensated, the work - overall - fucking sucks compared to an office job.

I've worked in warehouses, driven forklifts, and unloaded trucks for UPS (on the 3-8 AM shift). Sure, you come home tired, but I'd go back to a job like that in a minute. Shit, I'd ride a garbage truck. The carpenters and auto mechanics I know (and am related to) don't hate their lives at all. 9-5 office work can suck my dick from the back, though.

Yeah we've seen how "bifurcating" teenagers goes: ok you kids over here can and should aspire to college. You kids over here better start thinking more about auto shop. Conveniently that "tracking" p much always tracked suspiciously well with preexisting race and class lines. Funny, that.

Which is not to say that we shouldn't try to change how trades are viewed and valued vs. White collar office work. And of course I haven't the slightest idea what the right path is. But "bifurcated" education doesn't have a stellar rep imo

Yeah we’re not going to make anything on earth better with a policy of “more pre-college tracking”

I’ve known people who got heatstroke in a warehouse, I’ve yet to meet the software developer hospitalized because of work.

Pretty much every family friend growing up was a roofer/carpenter/plumber/etc. who worked with my dad. They didn’t hate their lives either (nor did my father or grandfather... or me for that matter). But none of them wanted their kids to follow them, they wanted their kids to work in air conditioning and not need back surgeries.

Working hard to top Jim Webb as the most reprehensible Democratic candidate of my adult life.

In the same year we have a Tulsi Gabbard?

Fair, Yang and Gabbard are up their but I forget they exist most of the time.

There

Yang and Gabbard are up their but

I see your spell check missed that homonym.

of course there should be free, accessible, and unstigmatized paths to trade work for as long as the work needs to be done and needs to be done by humans. but-- to get piously jeffersonian for a moment about democratic citizenship-- people on those paths should also be given a Liberal Education of the kind universities congratulate themselves over delivering for their intellectual darlings (but mostly don't); and also imo they should be given it at the same time and in the same rooms as the mbas and physicists.

also warehouses should be climate-controlled and if they're not our powerful and responsive unions should strike lol