Was thinking same, as thats not my favorite Pohl (by some distance) either
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 November 2019 03:22 (four years ago) link
lol @ their being a Logan's Run sequel
is Fredric Brown worth reading? why does he get so many entries on this list?
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 November 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
I must've read some of his short pieces at some point, but they left no impression
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 November 2019 20:33 (four years ago) link
Janet E. Morris bridged two worlds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Couch_of_Silistra#/media/File:High_Couch_of_Silistra_front_cover.jpg
― alimosina, Monday, 18 November 2019 20:58 (four years ago) link
― alimosina, Monday, 18 November 2019 20:59 (four years ago) link
Can't load that image.
― alimosina, Monday, 18 November 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link
lol @ their being a Logan's Run sequelis Fredric Brown worth reading? why does he get so many entries on this list?
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 01:08 (four years ago) link
I haven't read enough of these to vote in good conscience, but I'm basically a "Martian Chronicles" guy.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 03:07 (four years ago) link
Earthsea over Dhalgren for me
― Book Doula (sleeve), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 03:40 (four years ago) link
I was just contemplating re-reading those McCaffrey books the other day but I'm afraid they won't have aged well as opposed to my pre-teen memory of them
― Book Doula (sleeve), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 03:41 (four years ago) link
The only thing I've read by here was an anthologized early Pern story: blanking on titles, but it was from the 60s, orig. in Analog, I think (editor commented that she was one of Campbell's last proteges). Was immediately drawn into complicated intrigue, world-building and customized dragons (bred by lost Earthling colonists to psychic powers and bonding in pairs with humans, 4 life). The reversion or extension of feudalism went with retro-futuristic play of the dragon card in power struggles and other cultural activities. SF with the trappings and flavor of fantasy, so yeah planetary romance, as this article says (I'd just read Dune, so was especially up for McC.):http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/mccaffrey_anneThough caveat:McCaffrey and her collaborators and successors have, perhaps inevitably, allowed a touchy-feely Young Adult glow to soften the impact of its first volumes, losing in the process the clarity of her focus on strong women protagonists (see Women in SF), and her remarkable nuts-and-bolts attentiveness to the problems of living and gaining career success in Pern.So, yet more stuff that gets better the farther back you go, maybe---then again, she wrote other interesting-looking books mentioned here.
― dow, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 23:29 (four years ago) link
There were at least two Logan's Run sequels, I owned the one on here as a kid.
My favourites are the Bradburys and the Delaneys and Earthsea but I'm conflicted about that one
― The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 23:33 (four years ago) link
Almost certainly Something Wicked for me
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 16:47 (four years ago) link
dow (and sfencyclopedia) generally otm about McCaffrey - I re-read some of those books recently and the writing and plotting and general ideas tend to devolve as the series goes on (and on, and on). It's important to remember that there was basically nothing like this before her, this kind of pulpy YA sf fantasy fiction with strong women protagonists, written by a woman. She invented that shit.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 16:51 (four years ago) link
Norton's Ordeal In Otherwhere and Year Of The Unicorn pre-dates Pern by a few years. Don't know if they were the first.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 17:46 (four years ago) link
idk anybody irl that read Andre Norton. Even as a kid, the only reason I knew the name was because of her foundation's grants to PBS lol.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
but sure ok
She seems to have some staying power because recent writers like Aliette De Bodard, Ann Leckie, Craig Laurence Gidney probably a few others I'm forgetting have some love for her.
I didn't like one book I tried recently but I've got a bunch more to get to.
I'm sure the anthology Dow is reading has one of her stories.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link
Yep, this one: ANDREW NORTH: All Cats Are Gray | 1953. Haven't gotten there yet. Title seems familiar, but I don't recall ever reading anything by her. Very good selections so far.
― dow, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 18:47 (four years ago) link
title is from Mervyn Peake/Ghormenghast
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 18:53 (four years ago) link
Okay, reminder that I still need to read all that too!I don't know how her whole life-cycle might compare to those of Norton and McC.'s valiant women, but already, in this 1934 Weird Tales tale I tripped on above, Jirel of Jorey is a badass with emotional conflicts to match or overmatch physical violence, of which there is plenty, in a pulpy yet non-gratuitous way. I don't know that such a combo would have been acceptable in a comparable male character (don't recall Conan having those feels, although creator Robert E. Howard seemed to flame out after his mother's death, right? So maybe Conan did have some perceptible vulnerabilities somewhere--or Red Sonja? Never read stories of her).Here, at least, Jirel seems like an ancestor of 60s teen angst Peter Parker->Spiderman--and his future peer Paul Atreides, who will have not wanna be no Dune Messiah for the Universe--and all or many such subsequent superheros and heroines.
― dow, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:42 (four years ago) link
lol idk if you need to read *all* of it, I stopped after the first Ghormenghast book lol
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:44 (four years ago) link
Yeah, me too.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:49 (four years ago) link
All Cats Are Gray
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:52 (four years ago) link
although huh I guess there is some idiomatic saying that predates Peake? idk
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:53 (four years ago) link
Poor Richard’s Almanac, if not earlier, I would hazard to guess.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link
No, that's "All Cats Are Gay."
― dow, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:30 (four years ago) link
"Like Horses!"
― dow, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:31 (four years ago) link
You guys have got to be kidding.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link
Usually see that quote attributed to Ben Franklin, although Wikipedia seems to have an earlier citation as well.
― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 22:32 (four years ago) link
it's french you rubes
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.linternaute.com/proverbe/75/la-nuit-tous-les-chats-sont-gris/&prev=search
― The Pingularity (ledge), Thursday, 21 November 2019 09:52 (four years ago) link
voted tombs of atuan btw, where earthsea starts to get interesting (i.e. not patriarchal).
― The Pingularity (ledge), Thursday, 21 November 2019 09:53 (four years ago) link
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― Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:40 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Friday, 6 December 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Saturday, 7 December 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
Rachel Bloom to thread!
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 7 December 2019 00:23 (four years ago) link
Poor "The Farthest Shore" -- always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
― doctor johnson (askance johnson), Saturday, 7 December 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link