eheh. For a veeeeery long time Dangerous didn't click with me but over the last few years I've listened to it more attentively and now it's also the MJ album I go back to the most (reading the Susan Fast 33 1/3 book also helped to recontextualize it).I don't love it and still think it lacks GREAT songs compared to his previous work (although I also never loved Bad either) but "Who is It" is defnitily one.
Actually, D&P has more and better good/great songs imo. Still, I prefer Dangerous.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 15 November 2019 12:22 (four years ago) link
The rap parts on both albums are bad though : no winner there !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 15 November 2019 12:24 (four years ago) link
"Jughead," "Push," "Gett Off," anything with Tony M -- gross gross
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 November 2019 12:30 (four years ago) link
I kinda like the rappy bits. Is it Tony M rapping on 'My Name Is Prince'? Better than the rap on 'Black or White'?
― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Friday, 15 November 2019 12:34 (four years ago) link
Jam - Odd way to start with this low-key, um, jam, actually not bad, but much too longWhy You Wanna Trip On Me - This one is good, but also too longIn The Closet - Also good, also too long, why is Princess Stephanie of Monaco here?She Drives Me Wild - Maybe the best thing on here, and not too long for onceRemember The Time - Well put-together, but I just don't care for itCan't Let Her Get Away - No, this is the best track, Teddy Riley on fire hereHeal The World - Just fucking horrible, and 6 and a half minutes of it!Black or White - Yeah have to admit this is still good, it was such an event for me when the video was released.Who Is It - I think I like it, very odd, in a good way I think?Give In To Me - MJ's hair metal moment, falls flat, goes on way too long, again, think he just doesn't get the dynamics of the genreWill You Be There - AKA We Are The World Part II, wildly messianic, and nearly 8 minutes?! hard passKeep The Faith - Awful motivational dregs, 6 minutes longGone Too Soon - If you like mawkish ballads with tasteful cabaret keyboards then guess this is for youDangerous - ...and back to NJS, only this is the worst example here, 7 minutes long, sounds like an unnecessary 12" remix
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 November 2019 12:34 (four years ago) link
Gett Off is better than anything on Dangerous
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 November 2019 12:35 (four years ago) link
"Heal the World" vs "Diamonds and Pearls" is admittedly choosing between defenestration vs disembowelment
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 November 2019 12:36 (four years ago) link
Nobody died in the Third Defenestration of Prague so I'd probably choose that
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 November 2019 12:41 (four years ago) link
Heal the Worm is only good because you can call it that and it makes it mildly amusing. Diamonds and Pearls has a nice hook and isn't as cloying
― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Friday, 15 November 2019 12:55 (four years ago) link
"Black or White" : I've always found this Rolling Stonesy track terrible (also the video).and "Remember The Time" : yeah, I get why many people consider it's among his best tracks... but it just doesn't do it for me.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 15 November 2019 12:58 (four years ago) link
Actually, thinking about it, I only really like 2 of the 9 singles from Dangerous.
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 15 November 2019 16:14 (four years ago) link
NINE singles... Blimey
― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:15 (four years ago) link
yeah, I just realized that too and was about to emphasise it but then I found out there were also 9 from Bad (and 7 but out of 9 tracks from Thriller) !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 15 November 2019 16:18 (four years ago) link
Dangerous sounded fantastic to me whilst driving around in my car the other week. D&P not nearly as consistent imo
― one charm and one antiup quark (outdoor_miner), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:28 (four years ago) link
Dangerous is the more compelling work.
At the time, I reckoned I had never heard a cornier song by anyone than "Diamonds and Pearls," tho "Black or White" felt pretty close.
― temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
I love his screamy vocal on My Name Is Prince, it's like this rage of pure ego.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:44 (four years ago) link
I prefer Dangerous tbh. Prince was better with the Revolution, even if NPG as a collective had more chops
Tho i did like most of Prince's 90s output
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:47 (four years ago) link
I love Prince forever and consider him to be my favorite musician.
The answer to this is so clearly and obviously Dangerous that I'm amused this is a poll.
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:47 (four years ago) link
I've been wtf-ing since this morning'g coffee.
Come, The Gold Experience, especially Emancipation >>>>>>>>> D&P and MJ's subsequent work. Hell, even most of Love Symbol is.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:51 (four years ago) link
What DJP said.
― temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:51 (four years ago) link
Come rules
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link
uh
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link
Come regulations
― temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link
This is the problem with that album title.
11 minute opening track ftw.
Never got why this was panned other than it confused people by being under the Prince name while he was also recording as the symbol.
I remember "Letitgo" getting radio play
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 November 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link
Gold Experience has some cringe worthy stuff too. Like "Now". I guess "Pussy Control" is cool for the lyrics but it's clumsy.
But "Gold" is great.
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Friday, 15 November 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
"I Hate U" is my favorite post-80s Prince song, I think.
― temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Friday, 15 November 2019 17:26 (four years ago) link
"Shy" is also great, as are "The Human Body" and "Black Sweat"
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 15 November 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
"The Human Body" and "Sleep Around" are excellent dance-floor fillers.
― temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Friday, 15 November 2019 18:02 (four years ago) link
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, November 15, 2019 11:47 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Co-sign. I haven't spun Diamonds and Pearls since high school, though I'll still cue up "Walk Don't Walk" now and then.
― Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Saturday, 16 November 2019 18:44 (four years ago) link
I really really hated “Diamonds and Pearls” (the song) when it came out.“Love is meant for two.” Oh shut the fuck up, Prince. Is this the album with “7” on it? That’s a good one.
“Black or White” is abominable.
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 16 November 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
dangerous is too long but its great tracks are great enough to make up for it
― dyl, Saturday, 16 November 2019 19:49 (four years ago) link
i found "heal the world" quite moving but i was a v young child
Is this the album with “7” on it? That’s a good one.
No, the follow-up, Love Symbol, which is much better.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 November 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link
Okay, if the genius website is to be believed the album version of “Diamonds and Pearls” has a rap verse. “D to the I to the A” etc. Yikes. I definitely need to do a deep dive into Prince’s discography one of these days. I tried a couple of his early records and gave up. The self-titled LP was pretty good, though.
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 17 November 2019 01:08 (four years ago) link
That isn't a rap verse
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 November 2019 01:10 (four years ago) link
Good ol’ Mr. Snrub
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:08 (four years ago) link
I tried a couple of his early records and gave up
what the
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link
Maybe he was listening to 94 East
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
And For You isn't his strongest work
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
No matter what their individual attributes (or flaws), I don’t think it’s possible to have an opinion on Prince based solely on his first four albums.
― Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:27 (four years ago) link
Ahah that Mr. Snrub post.I've been listening to D&P over the weekend and it's actually better than I remembered.Beside the hits there are some typical Prince heavy funk jams, a typical slow jam. It's not that far from his previous stuff. Unfortunately there's A LOT of Tony M who ruins tracks that would have been OK otherwise.
As for Dangerous, basically, for me the following tracklist would have made a very good album (including tracks I don't love but that are good enough) :
Jam Why You Wanna Trip On Me In The Closet She Drives Me Wild Remember The Time Can't Let Her Get AwayWho Is It Will You Be There (the single version w/o the Beethoven part)
8 songs, around 40min of funky/sexy/paranoid tracks(+ a gospel final).
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 18 November 2019 09:31 (four years ago) link
Dangerous is solid through track 10.
― billstevejim, Monday, 18 November 2019 21:48 (four years ago) link
otm
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 November 2019 22:05 (four years ago) link
even Heal The World?
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 18 November 2019 22:49 (four years ago) link
over the years I've come to see Dangerous as sort of a bloated masterpiece, I could almost be convinced its his best album though lol @ it being so fucking long
― frogbs, Monday, 18 November 2019 23:30 (four years ago) link
I love "Why You Wanna Trip on Me" so much
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 November 2019 23:30 (four years ago) link
my brother and I liked "Who Is It?" cos we liked to imagine Michael Jackson answering the door to that song
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 November 2019 23:31 (four years ago) link
eheh. now that's paranoia !
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 09:35 (four years ago) link
xp that's going straight on my 'Open That Door' playlist
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7kqiCbf7fB27DuvIu7fDao?si=cx1BqaIFQbGF6QH6a1ETKQ
― YOU CALL THIS JOURNALSIM? (dog latin), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 10:17 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Friday, 29 November 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
Mj has been, in my mind, a paedophile since around the time dangerous came out. I voted how I voted because I dont like that album
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 30 November 2019 06:52 (four years ago) link
Wait WTF
I'm one of those weirdos who actually likes Diamonds and Pearls. I've been convinced MJ was a pedo for at least a decade. These results are still bullshit.
― thewufs, Sunday, 1 December 2019 04:58 (four years ago) link
I feel like everyone who voted for D&P forgot what "Jughead" sounds like
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 2 December 2019 20:59 (four years ago) link
nah, it's just that Dangerous is THAT BAD
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 December 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link
Except... it isn't
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 2 December 2019 21:11 (four years ago) link
It does have filler but the highs are pretty damn high
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 2 December 2019 21:13 (four years ago) link
― brigadier pudding (DJP),
And "Push." And "Live 4 Love."
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 December 2019 21:26 (four years ago) link
aw cmon, "thunder" "strollin" "Get off" "Insatiable" and "willing and able" are all tops and i could listen to "money don't matter" all dayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmGVAu9lk6I
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 December 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link
I EVEN LIKE "JUGHEAD." Dangerous is still a way better record. It's improved with age, too.
― thewufs, Sunday, 8 December 2019 06:24 (four years ago) link
Love Symbol > Dangerous > Diamonds & Pearls
I dunno if I'm ever gonna listen Michael Jackson again, but objectively speaking Dangerous is better than D&P, though obviously both are very uneven. "Cream" is one of Prince's best singles, but so is "Who Is It" with MJ, and the other good songs on Dangerous are just of higher caliber than the other good songs on D&P.
― Tuomas, Monday, 9 December 2019 09:08 (four years ago) link
Tuomas completely otm
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 December 2019 11:18 (four years ago) link
I dunno if I'm ever gonna listen Michael Jackson again
I do.
― temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Monday, 9 December 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link
yeah, except that part
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 December 2019 13:20 (four years ago) link
We never polled Diamonds And Pearls? Seems unlikely but..
― piscesx, Friday, 20 October 2023 15:21 (six months ago) link
I get how D&P could beat Dangerous in many respects, but it's the wrong outcome
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Friday, 20 October 2023 15:38 (six months ago) link
I stand by everything I originally wrote on this thread
― the new drip king (DJP), Friday, 20 October 2023 16:18 (six months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJWVUrLAjyA
― piscesx, Friday, 20 October 2023 16:27 (six months ago) link
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ISSSSSS IT
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Friday, 20 October 2023 18:05 (six months ago) link
IS IT A FRIEND OF MIIIIIIIIIIIINE
This is freakin’ great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2M2FnDdB1I
― piscesx, Monday, 23 October 2023 18:26 (six months ago) link
Love that 'Daddy Pop' 12" mix, esp the vocal ride-out
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Monday, 23 October 2023 18:51 (six months ago) link
That part when Prince slides into the crowd at the end of the Arsenio Hall appearance is the greatest moment of either campaign
― Road House: Songs and Stories (Master of Treacle), Monday, 23 October 2023 19:01 (six months ago) link
the title track to "diamonds and pearls" is so lame, maybe his worst song?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 23 October 2023 19:38 (six months ago) link
i've always liked it! *shrug*
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 October 2023 19:45 (six months ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, October 23, 2023 3:38 PM (
I know what you mean. Listening to it as an album track in '91 before it became a single, its concession to contemporary R&B sounded like a surrender ("Isn't Mint Condition doing this better?!"). But he needed to reclaim his R&B fanbase, and it worked. And I'm a sucker for guitar solos that are in essence the main melody line.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2023 19:49 (six months ago) link
in other words: I never say, "Lemme play 'Diamonds and Pearls'!" But when I catch it at CVS or on quiet storm I dig it!
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 October 2023 19:50 (six months ago) link
it's all about "The Morning Papers"
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 October 2023 19:51 (six months ago) link
"Diamonds and Pearls" is certainly one of the worst songs on The Hits 1 & 2. It moves from merely mediocre to true misfire territory when it gets to the trumpet fanfare into the "D to the I to the A to the M" bridge.
― Dwigt Rortugal (Eric H.), Monday, 23 October 2023 19:56 (six months ago) link
I love D&P the track too.
― nashwan, Monday, 23 October 2023 20:07 (six months ago) link
I'm kind of with Alfred - I never think to put it on by itself, but if I ever listen to the album or just a survey of Prince's hits that covers that era, I let it play and enjoy it.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 03:09 (five months ago) link
Creamsha-boogie-bop
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 October 2023 03:27 (five months ago) link
The outtakes are excellent pop-inflected R&B jams in the mode of "Daddy Pop" and the live stuff (mostly) smokes.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 October 2023 19:16 (five months ago) link
Yeah, except for "Jughead," the Glam Slam show is really good. (I'm only streaming this, so I haven't seen the additional live material that's on the Blu-ray.) And the three discs of vault items are a great listen.
The album was already mastered well, so the first disc feels redundant if you already have it. The second disc isn't so hot - I never really liked the remixes or B-sides featured on there, especially the ones that heavily feature Tony M, and the single edits feel superfluous.
― birdistheword, Saturday, 28 October 2023 19:50 (five months ago) link
I still love the House-style mix of Gett Off, the first time i heard it was on Pete Tong's Friday night Radio 1 show and straight after he played the Disco Fever edit of De La Soul's 'Rollerskating Jam..'. Man THAT was an incredible 15 minutes of radio. It's enough to make me nostalgic for the early 90's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bi-xdXFsqk
― piscesx, Saturday, 28 October 2023 23:06 (five months ago) link
The only "Gett Off" is "Gett Off (House Style)."
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 November 2023 16:22 (five months ago) link
yes.
― piscesx, Friday, 10 November 2023 01:21 (five months ago) link
Fuck, having a good sounding version of prince’s “open book” demo is quite frankly a deeply moving moment
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 01:57 (four months ago) link
A marvelous reappraisal by Matos: https://www.thecurrent.org/feature/2023/10/27/digging-for-diamonds-and-pearls-in-princes-expanded-reissue
― stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 02:16 (four months ago) link
Yeah “Open Book” is definitely the standout of the vault tracks on the SDE of D&P’s…. I’d say the vocals on his demos are some of his best…
― X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Wednesday, 13 December 2023 10:58 (four months ago) link
Nice that matos singles out willing & able. He’s right that it’s the best track on the album. It seems like the original small group version of it isn’t on here though which is odd to me. It’s even better than the released take imo
― realistic pillow (Jon not Jon), Friday, 15 December 2023 04:09 (four months ago) link
That video is incredible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Apk2Qr9yVc
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 15 December 2023 11:32 (four months ago) link
Nice... was expecting Bela Lugosi's Dead to kick in
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 15 December 2023 13:44 (four months ago) link
“alice through the looking glass” blew my mind, wtf
― ivy., Sunday, 24 December 2023 16:15 (three months ago) link
the live show is obv incredible but in particular i lost my shit when he quoted “it” in the middle of “thieves in the temple”
― ivy., Sunday, 24 December 2023 17:07 (three months ago) link
Yes!
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 December 2023 17:23 (three months ago) link