US Politics, November 2019: These people are truly sick.

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (2434 of them)

you think Giuliani's about to go to jail?

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 November 2019 23:29 (four years ago) link

the Foreign Agents Registration Act is apparently hard to enforce, but they’re already rolling up two of his dudes, so maybe

He also “needed a lot of money” for his own legal representation, per that butt dial, so now he owes somebody else another favor.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 November 2019 23:41 (four years ago) link

going back to the bribery thing:

Why “bribery”? For one thing, we avoid quibbling about what is a “high crime” in the Constitution. “Bribery” is listed specifically and has a broad meaning. Lawfare blog helps us through the reasoning:

Even if Trump’s actions do not satisfy the modern criminal standard for bribery, the argument from Trump’s defenders is misplaced—because the federal statute isn’t the relevant statement of the law in the context of impeachment. ...

In short, the Founders’ conception of bribery—and thus the scope of that term in the Constitution—cannot be understood with reference to modern federal statutes and the interpretation of those statutes by modern courts. As [Laurence] Tribe and [Joshua] Matz explain, “[T]he Framers were concerned with abuse of power, corruption, and injury to the nation. At no point did any delegate link the ultimate safeguard against presidential betrayal to intricacies of a criminal code.”

So what did the Founders understand “bribery” to refer to when they included that term in the Constitution as one of two specific impeachable offenses? There is every reason to believe that the drafters of the Constitution had in mind a scope that easily encompasses Trump’s conduct.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 November 2019 23:51 (four years ago) link

return of the revenge of the son of originalism

j., Friday, 15 November 2019 02:03 (four years ago) link

"A longtime career employee at the White House Office of Management and Budget is expected to break ranks and testify Saturday in the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry, potentially filling in important details on the holdup of military aid to Ukraine.

Mark Sandy would be the first OMB employee to testify in the inquiry, after OMB acting director Russell T. Vought and two other political appointees at the agency defied congressional subpoenas to appear. The White House has called the impeachment inquiry unconstitutional and ordered administration officials not to participate.

Unlike these other OMB officials, Sandy is a career employee, not one appointed by the president. He has worked at the agency off and on for over a decade, under presidents of both parties, climbing the ranks to his current role as deputy associate director for national security programs."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/11/14/career-white-house-budget-official-expected-break-ranks-testify-impeachment-inquiry/

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 03:28 (four years ago) link

haven't read much about him

Dan S, Friday, 15 November 2019 03:31 (four years ago) link

David Roth, interviewed about the Deadspin / general media situation, on his Trump writing:

...your Trump mind meld. You seem to be able to get inside the brain of the man in a way that a lot of people really enjoy and seems very authentic. [...]

I think with Trump the only real insight I have into the guy, and this is the part I’m self conscious about because it’s nice to be praised, but I don’t think I really know that much. I just know that whatever it is it seems like he’s doing, if it looks like he’s lying in an obvious way, he is. If he says I didn’t do this he did. He’s just not smart and he’s not really trying very hard either I think. So whatever it is he appears to be doing is what he’s doing.

I guess it qualifies as an insight because of the fact that somehow still after all this, after every single day he gets his dick stuck in one of those 711 hot dog rollers, everybody is like why did he do it? Let’s unpack this move and see if we can’t figure out why for the 500th consecutive day this guy has managed to get into an argument with a bird and lose.

insecurity bear (sic), Friday, 15 November 2019 08:10 (four years ago) link

David Roth is the best

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 November 2019 09:29 (four years ago) link

Impeachment is a Kitchen Table Issue

Dean Baker

As the Democrats have pushed ahead with impeachment proceedings, there have been criticisms from both the right and left that impeachment is a needless distraction from the pocketbook issues that people really care about. The argument is that people will see the Democrats as playing political games rather than focusing on health care, jobs, wages, and other issues that directly affect people’s lives.

This sort of argument ignores the world we now live in. First, we have to be clear about the Republican agenda. To put it simply, it is to give all the money to rich people.

This means that not only that they don’t want rich people to pay taxes, the rich also get to cheat workers out of their pay, pollute drinking water, destroy the planet, and do anything else to ordinary people and the environment that might boost their income. Republicans and their allies also design patent and copyright monopolies to give even more money to the rich (both here and overseas) and they structure the digital economy in ways that deny ordinary people any privacy.

It’s true that some Democrats also seem to share much of this agenda, but that’s beside the point. If the Republicans can control the White House and Congress, this is what they will do.

So, is impeachment a distraction from fighting this disastrous agenda? Not at all, impeachment is a necessary step in trying to stop it.
In case people somehow have missed it, Republicans do not care at all about democracy or the rule of law. They will do anything and everything they can get away with to keep power. We see this again and again.

To take one prominent example, Republicans wanted to include a question on citizenship on the Census to discourage immigrants from answering. The explicit purpose was to reduce political representation in areas with large immigrant populations. The Supreme Court ultimately blocked this effort because the Trump administration could not find a plausible reason to include this question, other than to discriminate against immigrants.

Just last week, the Republican leader of Kentucky’s state senate suggested reversing the results of the state’s gubernatorial election (which the Democrat won), based on his assessment that a third party candidate had pulled away enough votes from the Republican to cost him the election. While he seems to have backed away from this position in response to mass public outcry, the fact that he could seriously consider completely ignoring the results of an election shows the lack of respect that Republicans have for democracy and the rule of law.

The Ukraine affair has to be understood in this context. Trump is quite openly using the State Department, the Justice Department, and most likely other branches of government to directly advance his personal and political interests.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 November 2019 09:29 (four years ago) link

David Roth is the best

As he says, his insight is just simply treating Trump at face value as the person he has always been, and he's not the only one doing that. But his disgust is expressed in such elegantly hilarious riffs: "see if we can’t figure out why for the 500th consecutive day this guy has managed to get into an argument with a bird and lose" is the best, on-point, accurate reduction of Trump since these threads' President Brainstem back in 2017.

insecurity bear (sic), Friday, 15 November 2019 09:48 (four years ago) link

not really trying very hard either I think is also otm - if Trump's soggy, tiny brain still worked enough to ever be able to assess how well he's putting his bullying grifts over on the marks, he'd be revelling in how many Republican elected officials are prepared each day to completely sell out their constituencies and abase themselves at the temple of repeating whatever self-serving bullshit Trump's greasy thumbs blurted out during the morning's rage-warm-up.

every day, an even more flaccidly obvious version of "no puppet! you're the puppet!" transformed into a gilt standard and waved until the next half-coherent protestation of people being very unfair to him, really, gets enough English words shouted over helicopter blades in the right order for donorholic chumps to pretend they were intentional and start shouting those ones.

(by which time the revelling would be over because he can't get anything he wants without mentally transforming it from an achievement into an absolute birthright)

insecurity bear (sic), Friday, 15 November 2019 10:00 (four years ago) link

how many Republican elected officials are prepared each day to completely sell out their constituencies and abase themselves at the temple of repeating whatever self-serving bullshit Trump's greasy thumbs blurted out during the morning's rage-warm-up.

wouldn't they be selling out their constituencies if they *didn't* do that?

Camille Paglia is on my partner's NextDoor (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 15 November 2019 10:51 (four years ago) link

er no???

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 November 2019 13:17 (four years ago) link

Is the David Roth interview subscription only?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 13:30 (four years ago) link

It's time to spin the Wheel ... of ... Assholery!

"President Trump is expected to intervene in three military justice cases involving service members charged with war crimes any day, issuing pardons or otherwise clearing them of wrongdoing and preventing the U.S. military from bringing the same charges again, three U.S. officials said Thursday."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/11/14/white-house-pentagon-prepare-trump-issue-pardons-war-crimes-cases-officials-say/

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 13:41 (four years ago) link

Good morning!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 November 2019 13:50 (four years ago) link

You can get to both Roth articles if you click a few buttons

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 15 November 2019 13:56 (four years ago) link

Huh. It says paid subscription for me.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link

It's really easy to commit war crimes in other countries. Everyone has done it.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 15 November 2019 14:22 (four years ago) link

It really is his core value set. If you're not cheating, you're not trying. If you're not cheating you're a sucker and a loser. Your first position is to cheat, then deny, then accuse the others of cheating, then create enough other bullshit to walk away. you know who pays taxes? losers who are NOT SMART.

so if youre not war criming youre not trying. none of them are angels. they knew what they signed up for, all sides. they’d do it to you.

and i approve this message (Hunt3r), Friday, 15 November 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link

It is very much in character for this administration to pursue a corrupt campaign against an anti corruption stalwart in the name of fighting corruption but in service of other corrupt individuals and policies.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 14:57 (four years ago) link

Hunt3r xpost is as succinct a distillation of Trump's guiding principle as I've read.

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 15 November 2019 15:08 (four years ago) link

Hasn't Trump been more or less explicit with that MO?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link

Wow, Schiff is having Yovanavitch respond to Trump's tweets in real time. What a fucked up world.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 15 November 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link

yes that was insane

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 15 November 2019 15:28 (four years ago) link

twitter is the fucking worst thing to ever happen

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 15 November 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link

twitter Trump is the fucking worst thing to ever happen, twitter is ancillary.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link

well i'd happily nuke twitter to deny Trump that platform

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 15 November 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link

It's kind of amazing that they immediately responded like that, but points to a grim future where all hearings are held via tweet attacks.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 15 November 2019 15:34 (four years ago) link

Why is he tweeting a conversation from April

treeship., Friday, 15 November 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link

Trump is such a coward, doing that shit from his bathroom or whatever.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link

of all the places to do shit that seems like a good one tbh

actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 15 November 2019 15:37 (four years ago) link

Why isnt rudy being forced to comply with the subpoena again?

treeship., Friday, 15 November 2019 15:37 (four years ago) link

I have no idea what the GOP chumps are going to ask her about. Like, I do, generally, but I don't see why she even needs to be there to listen to conspiracy theories.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 15:38 (four years ago) link

that's the thing Hunt3r missed, for all his tough talk and shows of strength when it comes down to it he really is a gigantic coward who is afraid to insult or fire anyone in person

frogbs, Friday, 15 November 2019 15:39 (four years ago) link

This doesn't matter, but:

Interesting: on FOX just now, Bret Baier comes down very hard on Trump's real-time Tweet, noting that intimidating a witness "is a crime" and says GOP members will have to spend a lot of time trying to "clean this up."

— Jeff Greenfield (@greenfield64) November 15, 2019

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 November 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link

Wallace also reaffirms Baier’s point about witness tampering and that overall it was “powerful testimony.”

Some of the other Fox News contributors are trying to deflect the import of Yovanovitch’s testimony but if Trump is watching FNC he’s going to blow a gasket.

— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) November 15, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 15:47 (four years ago) link

If??

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 15 November 2019 15:52 (four years ago) link

One other useful aspect of this testimony is it demonstrates how radically deviating from norms is not simply an issue of decorum or tackiness but a serious disruption of policy and diplomacy.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 15:52 (four years ago) link

Starr witness indeed:

Ken Starr on Fox News: “The president was not advised by counsel in deciding to do this tweet. Extraordinarily poor judgment… Obviously this was quite injurious.”

— James Poniewozik (@poniewozik) November 15, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link

LOL

i'm pretty sure trump just tweeted out the "new" transcript (the congratulatory call to Zelensky back in April, which has nothing to do with anything. amazingly, without reading it, i believe him their april conversation didn't contain any obvious crimes. WOW, you got us trump!

the fact that he thinks this is a damning counterpoint and timed its release for the middle of this testimony is just so fucking pathetic

also fucking pathetic: republicans are so dumb they have to bring in the golden boy jim jordan to be the brains of the operation. fucking lol.

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 November 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link

by the way, san francisco is a "dangerous & disgusting Slum", according to another trump tweet from this morning

why? it's pelosi's district

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link

even as we create the dystopic future we will have to live in, predicting it and then walking into it with eyes wide open, these first few hearings have demonstrated the value of impeaching the president even though republicans will acquit him. they look like fucking SCUM. they are scum. they are clearly wrong. anyone who hasn't gone off the rails yet in this country will see that, if they care to look. jordan and nunes and their ilk can rot in the gutter

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:02 (four years ago) link

mornin'

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:02 (four years ago) link

Folks are figuring out how to play this game. https://t.co/GBuHex3ODT

— Rick Perlstein (@rickperlstein) November 15, 2019



Naming well understood crimes like throw and bribery

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link

xpost So you're saying the likes of Jordan and Nunes are the San Francisco of congress?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 November 2019 16:03 (four years ago) link

whyyyy i oughtta

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link

*this not throw wtf

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:06 (four years ago) link

can't wait to see the reasoning behind senate republicans finding that trump not is guilty of Witness Intimidation. i guess it will come down to either 1) "he didn't intimidate anyone. no he didn't. they weren't intimidated by the president of the united states repeatedly condemning them to a rabid audience of millions of dumbasses who believe everything he says, while constantly saying that all of his enemies are part of a Deep State conspiracy.", or 2) "it's not witness intimidation when the president does it."

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link

Why is he tweeting a conversation from April

― treeship

because if he can show he had a normal conversation in April, it means he did not have an illegal conversation in September.

that's literally what they're doing. i would have demolished this argument in fucking first grade on the playground (and then the bullies would have demolished me)

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 November 2019 16:08 (four years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.