The Colombia/Ecuador/Venezuela Mess or Let's Place Bets on How Long Before the U.S. Backs a Colombian War With Venezuela

I love this pic

idk the MLK t-shirt makes it a little incongruous

Sorry writing from phone on a bus.

I mean, no doubt, but it's pretty consistent. What's remarkable to me is not so much the difference between the two groups as how the American eye (mine, at least) tends to just slide right over the expensively-clothed right-wingers in photos and scan them as "normal", when they're really not

That article seemed pretty one-sided to me, and the site in general kinda seems like a Catholic-backed propaganda outlet

How could Áñez become acting president without a parliamentary quorum?

4. The government has treated the mobilisation as a fascist and racist coup. It is true that the sectors of the reactionary right have celebrated the protests. In Santa Cruz, the main leader of the Civic Committee, Luis Fernando Camacho, comes from an ultra-right organisation called the Union of Cruceño Youth. However, in other cities, there have been quite different articulations by independent groups with politicians from right and left leading the protests. In Potosí, the opposition to the government radicalised before the elections due to the signing of a 70 year contract without payment of royalties for the production of lithium hydroxide in the salt flats of Uyuni. In the case of La Paz, the National Committee for the Defense of Democracy counts among its main leaders two Ombudsman who served under the Evo Morales government and had denounced human rights violations such as the repression of the indigenous march of TIPNIS in 2011. For his part, Carlos Mesa, who was vice president during the neoliberal government of Sanchez de Lozada, and became the main electoral opponent of Evo Morales does not have a structured party base and was more a vehicle for opposition at the ballot box then a key organizer of the protests. The rebellion which Bolivia is experiencing is largely a spontaneous act led particularly by young people against the abuse of power.

It is important to be clear that there are indigenous peoples and workers on both the government and opposition side. The government clearly has more support in rural areas, but the opposition also includes coca producers from the Yungas, peasant leaders, mining workers, health and education workers, and above all young students, both middle and working class. Contrary to what happened in previous conflicts, it was the government that exacerbated the racism, saying that the protests were trying to take away the rural indigenous vote made in support of the government. During the conflict, there have been racist attacks from both sides. The burning of the wiphala, the flag of the Aymaran and Quechuan peoples, is absolutely deplorable. However, it is also notable that on social media, there are many groups who are part of the protests who challenge these attacks and defend the wiphala.

both sides

The supreme court equivalent accepted that she was next in line and only gave her an interim mandate. The same dumb supreme court who judged term limits were a human rights abuse, if I understand correctly. It seems new elections will be happen in late January. This is MAS’ moment to shine and prove they are stronger than just one dude, I don’t think boycotting will resolve anything.

Genuinely hope they hold elections and that they're fair! Have right-wingers in power ever held free and fair elections after toppling a left-wing government before? (honest question, maybe they have)

Sometimes it is both sides. Don’t know how else to say it. From what I understand large swaths of indigenous people have good reasons to be pissed off at Morales but also fear Camacho/Anez/Mesa with obvious good reasons. This is how some civil wars start, with both sides making unreasonable demands

Also the whole ‘both sides’ narrative is just what is is, a narrative, and I find narratives to be unhelpful. On top of it, ‘both sides’ is lifted from a specific critic of US media in a specific political moment and I really wonder how useful it is to force it unto the present Bolivian reality.

I am going to trust Pablo Solon over many american commentators on this issue.

I guess Brazil might have elected Bolsonaro fairly, for all I know, although he benefited from massive propaganda and an arguably railroaded opposition.

I genuinely doubt the next elections will be fair and free, but I sure hope so. And I am worried neither side is going to recognize the results now that all of that happened. I do take solace in that MAS has been able to build a strong coalition in the past and people seem to genuinely love Salvatierra.

Also Canada has not recognized Añez. I think this what europeans countries should do too. Put pressure on the notion that is really just an interim moment.

This business about how Morales is the true racist for saying that the opposition is anti-indigenous rings a little false when the current president is on record as saying that the indigenous population are satanists who should leave the cities and go back into the mountains.

He doesn’t say that, and even if he did I don’t see how two instances of race fear mongering can be mutually exclusive, even when one is much more intense than the other.

when the current president is on record as saying that the indigenous population are satanists who should leave the cities and go back into the mountains.

this was from a fake tweet I believe

Bolsanaro was absolutely fairly elected. Or, that is, the whole thing was a sham meant to benefit the conservative right, but it seems to have disgusted the populace enough to go with a third choice, the fascist. So those he kinda beat fair and square. Lula, not so much.

xp oh really? Thanks for the update, sorry to spread bullshit.

Hmm https://www.truthorfiction.com/jeanine-anez-bolivia-libre-de-ritos-satanicos-indigenas

Regardless of the veracity of the tweet, we can all agree that she is a racist shit head.

"Bolsanaro was fairly elected" except the candidate who could've beaten him was jailed 🙄

Not even Boris has come up with that ploy yet.

Thanks xyz, that's an accurate condensation of my post. Now go fuck yourself.

I heard there is a new Star Wars film at Xmas. Maybe that's more your level.

wait........what

I bring this up because Bolivian coup agent Daza is a member of Leto's spooky cult Echelon, and from the looks of it appears to have been (be?) a leader of the Echelon cult in Bolivia. (There's a LOT more if you search Echelon, but here's just a few screens for example) pic.twitter.com/YmTY34CWyI

— bak (@measure7x) November 14, 2019

Immanentizing the Bolivian echelon

Chilean singer Mon Laferte staged a protest at last night's Latin Grammys. Photo is NSFW, so search it up for yourself, but she wrote the words "En Chile Torturan Violan Y Matan" on her chest and dropped her top on the red carpet. (She later won Best Alternative Album.)

wait........what

I bring this up because Bolivian coup agent Daza is a member of Leto's spooky cult Echelon, and from the looks of it appears to have been (be?) a leader of the Echelon cult in Bolivia. (There's a LOT more if you search Echelon, but here's just a few screens for example) pic.twitter.com/YmTY34CWyI
— bak (@measure7x) November 14, 2019
― Simon H., Friday, November 15, 2019 6:01 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

30 seconds to MAS

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2019/11/16/at-least-five-killed-by-security-forces-in-massacre-in-cochabamba-bolivia/

An interesting Twitter thread dismantling a popular conspiracy theory about the Bolivian coup.

Been so busy with work I missed this whole theory that the Bolivian coup was over lithium. Let's walk through it. pic.twitter.com/hqWS1uT6j6

— Mike Caulfield (@holden) November 17, 2019

*Intellectuals at ilxor dot com screaming A FOURTH TERM?!*

The reality:

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/26/bolivia-rightwing-military-dictatorship?

Also Canada has not recognized Añez. I think this what europeans countries should do too. Put pressure on the notion that is really just an interim moment.

― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Lol

This is entirely predictable but still sickening. https://t.co/1lMUGYsuzM

— Louis Allday (@Louis_Allday) November 29, 2019

i bet bolivians have more on their mind than the status of their symbolic relationship with a country in the middle east

*Intellectuals at ilxor dot com screaming A FOURTH TERM?!*

this seems like an awfully roundabout way of asserting that ilxor dot com has no intellectuals

i bet bolivians have more on their mind than the status of their symbolic relationship with a country in the middle east

― Mordy, Friday, 29 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Symbolic huh?

As expected, the Bolivian post-coup junta plans to privatize the economy and reverse the gains of the last 13 years.

The junta has already expelled 700 Cuban doctors, removed RT & Telesur from airwaves, and requested Israeli training of its military. https://t.co/Xfq7lhY0eQ

— Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) December 16, 2019

Also Canada has not recognized Añez. I think this what europeans countries should do too. Put pressure on the notion that is really just an interim moment.

― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Just an interim govt, yeah

Just ignore the fascist and his propaganda, you're not going to be accurately informed. He has this fantasy going on where he is a right-thinking strongman disciplining the weak of mind. He is just an idiot.

Fred, can you stop this, you're only going to get banned again.

One week to Star Wars Fred. One week.

Tom, he literally just wrote 'we will have to get dirty online' on your little safe-space thread. If you don't want your allies to be called fascists, try and stop them from becoming authoritarians ranting about ruthless discipline. Nothing he writes above is about being informing, it's about punishing Mordy and Van Horn Street for speaking out of line. He is a sad loser thinking he is doing his part for the revolutionen by leaning into his shittiness. You'd do a lot more for your cause by speaking out against him than me.

Using a right-wing talking point to describe our little corner of the web is just beautiful. For a writer, you have a way with words!

(xp) He's not my 'ally'. Showing up on random threads to shout fascist at someone is nagl but so be it, your choice, there's only going to be one outcome.

Tom you don't know what you're talking about. This is not a 'random thread'. He literally cited Venezuela in yet another personal attack on me as late as yesterday! This guy is harassing me all over the board because I don't live up to his tankie ideals of 'anti-imperialism', and being completely open about doing it! And about wanting to do it to others!

Stay out of it if you don't want to know. You are literally defending online harassment, okay?

I'm not literally defending anything. You're your own worst enemy.

New Paddington Bear film this Xmas Fred?

No Tom, I'm pretty sure my worst enemy is not me but the guy who is harassing me. Who is open about using harassment strategically for discipline and punishment. And open about wanting to do it more. And who kept shitting on me after I blocked him. Pretty sure that guy is causing this. I'm not angling for sympathy, but what you're doing is textbook victimblaming. Just stay out of it. You have your little safespace, but don't let his abuse spread to the rest of the board.

Drop the 'little safespace' shite, Fred.

It's not safe from our Fred. Nothing is, sadly.

I've said my piece, I'll leave you two to it.

Well it's not just the two of us. Fred kicks off against multiple people on here, which is why he's been banned twice. Might take a 3rd.