the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread

cool

the guy whose family TOOK OUT AN AD TELLING PEOPLE TO VOTE AGAINST HIM

okay I didn't realize that's who that was

good to see he's using his time in productive ways

wonder who was in charge of the Justice Department when it happened and whether or not that person had any connections to Epstein

the guy whose family TOOK OUT AN AD TELLING PEOPLE TO VOTE AGAINST HIM

― maura, Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:12 AM (forty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lmao that was the best

also this is the best kudos to that no doubt horrible man for generating quality news

he's still in office, he only deserves our scorn

#Assad says Epstein didn't commit suicide, he was killed https://t.co/D1ktgu9u6F #Syria

— Al-Masdar News (@TheArabSource) November 14, 2019

idk how we got here but we got here.

All the Trump supporters on my Facebook feed started posting these memes daily at the same time, some of them very slickly produced, many crafted to appeal to the hard rock / heavy metal set. Makes me think this is a dry run for the 2020 meme wars. Facebook now knows who its reliable memesoldiers are.

I'm so glad there are threads like this when I have LOTS of free time on my hands. No real opinion on whether he did or didn't kill himself but clearly this has just become another rightwing distraction and given their fixation with the Clintons it doesn't seem unlikely that their their theories will point more and more towards the connection with Bill.

The discussion of conspiracy theories mid-thread was more interesting to me. I wonder, does Russiagate qualify as a conspiracy theory?

I revived another thread to kind of talk about that! Russiagate is unusual because its a centrist pushed conspiracy, and usually centrists aren't predisposed to conspiracies. Its quite an overtly top down conspiracy. The more left or right you go the more you're going to believe things aren't as presented (leading down some strange paths sometimes), centrism is kind of the opposite of that, that things are generally as they appear and/or problems are out in the open

Russiagate in general wasn't a conspiracy, in that 90% of it was true.

Whether a conspiracy theory is true or not has no bearing on whether it is a conspiracy theory. Some conspiray theories are true, and some conspiracy theories are not true.

This isn't about the veracity of any particular theory, but about predisposition towards them

Lol, ok. But even then, the bulk of Russiagate, that Russians were interfering in the election, and that Trump encouraged them at the very least, was pretty clear from summer 2016. So that was probably why a lot of people believed it. The interesting question is more why so many people furiously denied it and helped the Russians in spreading the material. I think those people had more of a conspiratorial mindset.

That should really not be controversial, a lot of people seemed to think Russiagate was thought up by Dem elites and the Deep State to undo the will of the people. That's the conspiracy here.

Russiagate in general wasn't a conspiracy, in that 90% of it was true.

― Frederik B, Friday, November 15, 2019 8:23 AM (thirty minutes ago)

i recommend buying a dictionary

for better or worse, the phrase “conspiracy theory” near-universally means a crackpot or impossible one, and Fred - a very clear writer but in a second language, able to fudge the odd nuance - was here using the first word in context of the whole phrase

Prince Andrew's being interviewed on a Newsnight special tomorrow night. It's the BBC, so unlikely to be incredibly uncomfortable, but it'll be interesting to see how far they'll be permitted to go.

'not nearly far enough', one assumes

One assumes - but there's also a theory that he's so bang-to-rights, there's a political value in making him out to be at least moderately accountable in public to lessen the perception that the Royal Family and government have been running interference for him.

I can't imagine, even with softball questions, he can possibly come out of it looking good or would have agreed to it in the first place if he hadn't been compelled by someone more senior.

it'll be instructive as to how far the royals are willing to hang him out to dry, for sure

That’s a HELLUVA NON-DENIAL when the allegation is repeatedly having sex with a 17-year-old sex slave of a notorious pedophile. pic.twitter.com/mTp1COGXQX

— Mark Di Stefano 🤙🏻 (@MarkDiStef) November 15, 2019

he's really captured the enormity of the situation with that apology

maybe could've thrown a "soz" in there too

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Federal prosecutors offered a plea deal to two correctional officers responsible for guarding Jeffrey Epstein on the night of his death, but the officers have declined, people familiar with the matter tell The Associated Press. https://t.co/GmOyWM1zG7

— The Associated Press (@AP) November 15, 2019

When I hear a politician saying "I have no recollection," I know I'm 100% OK to write the story because that always means "I don't like it, but I can't deny it." EVERY TIME. It's the accepted nod, wink form of words for "I'm bang to rights". Is the Duke badly advised or stupid?

— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) November 15, 2019

bit of both

a lot of both, i’d say

What else can he say?

"I'm a dodgy child abuser from an outmoded institution that should be abolished toot sweet, Vote Labour, peace"

it would have been nice if he’d led with “for decades, i’ve been an active and enthusiastic participant in an international sex trafficking and child rape ring alongside some of the world’s richest and most powerful men, which is probably at least in part also operating as a blackmail operation for intelligences agencies in countries including the united states, united kingdom and israel

“also, jeffrey epstein was murdered”

they obv don't teach these posh kiddyfiddler gimps the art of plausible deniability these days.

just a bit of fun init

Shocking to see an otherwise merely useless pile of flesh tarnished with these accusations.

If some entitled shit who is considered important because he was born and for no other reason can do a thing like this, who can we even trust anymore?

30 seconds into this interview and it's even worse than in the clips. He looks terrified.

"I never have really partied" - this man is the anti-Andrew WK

yikes yikes yikes yikes at this

The bits he has obviously prepared for are somehow worse. Still not sure if the guilt or the idiocy is stronger here, but both are powerful forces.

“I do not regret being friends with a pedophile”

“I was not close friends with him... but I felt like I had to fly halfway across the world to break up with him.”

“I stayed at his house in NYC... because it was convenient.”

YOU ARE A LITERAL MILLIONAIRE

It’s very bleak to think that he’ll get away with this, just as with savile it’s been an open secret for years, comedians would allude to it. Fuck these parasites

"I don't know that nightclub. I didn't buy any drinks when I was there"

Is he going to bring out his diaries now like the rapist judge?

"I didn't sweat at the time"

THE SWEAT BIT