which prob factored into the suns pick too
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:28 (four years ago) link
then theres atl who had luka fall into their lap and traded him, tho trae is looking pretty great too
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:29 (four years ago) link
The odd thing about the Suns is a big reason not to take Luka would seemingly be that they already had a good sf but then they handed him to the pacers inexplicably
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:36 (four years ago) link
mightve been worried abt the fit w booker in that theyre both ball dominant, which is silly imo but bad teams stay bad for a reason
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:40 (four years ago) link
Rubio and Doncic would have been a questionable fit so they’ve got that going for them. But unfortunately Ayton is Rony Seikaly without the style
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:53 (four years ago) link
well they probably wouldn't have signed rubio if they had doncic. at least a sane team wouldn't do something like that.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 01:10 (four years ago) link
rubio and doncic would be kinda fascinating
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 13 November 2019 02:24 (four years ago) link
this is fn insane considering he doesnt actually get all the way to the rim that often
Best FG% off drives so far this year (min 10 drives per game):Luka Doncic - 68.6% (!)Gordon Hayward - 63.4%Russ Westbrook - 63.0%Dame Lillard - 60.2%Pascal Siakam - 58.2%Brandon Ingram - 57.9%James Harden - 57.8%Derrick Rose - 57.1%Jaylen Brown - 56.7%— Michael Gallagher (@MikeSGallagher) November 13, 2019
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 17:39 (four years ago) link
gotta think thats gonna cool off but still
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 17:40 (four years ago) link
I’d love to see like the points per possession on drives, he’s deadly in the paint, gets fouled a ton in there, and finds guys all the time
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 13 November 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
Through games on Nov. 12, which #NBA sophomores have done the most (or least) with their minutes during the 2019-20 season? pic.twitter.com/KfLkEyiMnT— NBA Math (@NBA_Math) November 13, 2019
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 13 November 2019 17:59 (four years ago) link
i am seeing some outliers
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
this is getting pretty ridiculous. career high 42-11-12 tonight
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 November 2019 04:35 (four years ago) link
This kid was the MVP of the all-European championship tournament at age 18, or maybe 19, so you'd expect it would take him a good year of seasoning in the NBA before he was ready to show is true mettle. Last year was just him getting acquainted.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 04:39 (four years ago) link
just luka things
― moullet, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link
I think I said it before itt but has there been another player since Lebron who was the unquestioned best guy in his age group from 17-21?
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:08 (four years ago) link
idk how helpful that framework really is, I mean his production at age 20 is completely without precedent. he’s basically mike trout.
to your question tho guys like...kyrie, AD, maybe? I mean isn’t there always a guy who’s the best
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link
AD didn’t blow up until his senior year of high school
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:33 (four years ago) link
Rubio was the best from 14-18 probably
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:34 (four years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:08 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
if it was unquestioned he wouldnt have gone 3rd, i mean the ppl questioning it were obvs wrong but still they questioned it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link
w bron no one questioned it except like 2 contrarian sportswriters
I remember a few iconoclasts who were all about darko >> bron
― mike dan tony (Clay), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:52 (four years ago) link
might as well go all the way w it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 19:53 (four years ago) link
I think I said it before itt but has there been another player since Lebron who was the unquestioned best guy in his age group from 17-21?― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:08 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglinkif it was unquestioned he wouldnt have gone 3rd, i mean the ppl questioning it were obvs wrong but still they questioned it
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
Even this offseason people did the same upside argument but he continues to be the best player his age
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link
oh ok I understand your question better now, you’re asking about guys who were the best every year over those years?
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 November 2019 20:35 (four years ago) link
Yeah
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link
What makes the Lebron story so amazing is that he was number 1 at age 16 and he just checked the box every year and continues to do so
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
the goat
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 22:03 (four years ago) link
has vince carter been the best 37-42 year old player for all those years? that’s impressive too
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 November 2019 22:35 (four years ago) link
of all time i doubt it, he hasn't been that effective for the past few years
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 23:13 (four years ago) link
no I just mean during those years
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 November 2019 23:20 (four years ago) link
Yeah Vince outlasted his whole generation
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 00:04 (four years ago) link
same draft as dirk and pierce
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 00:09 (four years ago) link
Btw taking a look back at it the second best nba player from Anthony Davis’ recruiting class, by a considerable margin, is Malcolm Brogdon. Was barely a top 100 recruit.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:12 (four years ago) link
yeah, vince is the last remaining guy who played in the '90s, i think.
would kd count as a best in his class, 17-21 guy? assuming that people didn't *actually* think oden was better.
― circles, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:18 (four years ago) link
a lot of ppl thought oden was better
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:19 (four years ago) link
yeah, it's kind of iffy
― circles, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:21 (four years ago) link
btw, looking for kd's nbadraft.net page, i just noticed that they totally redesigned, r.i.p. website that had looked exactly the same for the last ~18 years.
oden was never that good tho
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:26 (four years ago) link
lol circles i had the same experience & thought like a week ago
― infinite nature of (god)7 (Clay), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:34 (four years ago) link
xp it was still an era when being a big center was a premium thing
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:37 (four years ago) link
xpost stuff's mostly still there, just harder to find. i know this is a thread about the greatest slovenian baller of all time, but:
Strengths: His upside is out of this world … This kid is not even begining to scratch the surface of his potential … Looking at him you see his frame is going to fill out in 3-4 years … Very fluid athlete with explosiveness … He plays hard and is still learning the game … Provided he works hard, Durant is going to be a special player in the league who will be able to do many different things on the court … Not aggressive enough to be like Kevin Garnett, but skilled enough down the road to contribute like a Andrei Kirilenko or a Grant Hill … Developing inside outside game … Can shoot the 3 and flush in transition … It is scary to think of what he could be like if he puts on 15 lbs of muscle and developed a handle, a 2010 version of KG!
Weaknesses: His (lack of) stength is his major weakness, and he really needs to put on weight or he won’t be able to do much in the NBA except shoot deep 3s or score in transition like Darius Miles of 4 years ago … Needs to become more aggresive, develop more nastiness … Still developing a game off the dribble Defensively he needs to move his feet better and keep his hands active on the ball … Oak Hill Academy is giving him the work ethic he will need in the long run, since he most likely won’t be going to collegeAran Smith – 12/27/2004
vs.
Aran Smith – 7/9/2005Strenths: Incredibly fluid athlete for a 7 footer Tremendous speed in the open court A center with his agility and talent comes along roughly every 8-10 years Extremely quick and explosive Enormous potential His game has improved significantly from his sophomore to junior seasons Starting to understand how to use his body and how dominant he can be Big defensive presence, and a terrific shot blocker with great length, timing and instincts Excellent rebounder Soft touch around the basket Has developed a decent turnaround hook with his right hand Very good passer with nice court vision (averaged 3.7 assists per game as a junior) Quality kid with a great attitude Very coachable, listens and wants to improve Team player with a winners mentality Improving on a daily basis Decent free throw shooter at 64% but needs to and should improve upon it (improved considerably from 51% as a sophomore)
Weaknesses: Soft spoken. Very humble personality, which is a positive and a negative in that some would like to see him develop more of a swagger of confidence, but Tim Duncan and David Robinson were/are both silent (humble) assassins Needs to add more nastiness on the floor to dominate Still raw in terms of post moves, they are developing, but still have a ways to go He is so dominant on the high school level he hasn’t needed to develop any range or post skills Doesn’t have the ability to create offense for himself as he can overwhelm anyone he faces with his size and athleticism Still scores mostly on ally oops and put backs Has nice touch, but needs to develop a consistent mid range shot ( la David Robinson) Strength wont be an issue for him ultimately, but right now he needs to add muscle to his upper body and legs Almost too unselfish
Outlook: The top candidate for the number 1 pick in the 2007 draft, one year removed from high school A year of college should give him a great stepping stone for the NBA.
― circles, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 01:42 (four years ago) link
Ah he needs to develop a mid range shot, like David Robinson
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 02:19 (four years ago) link
say you were a GM (and for the sake of exercise ignore contextual things like team need etc) and you had to rank the players whose next three seasons you’d most want to have. how many players are ahead of luka? I’m thinking zero
― k3vin k., Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:03 (four years ago) link
still picking giannis
― i'm not a government man; i'm a government, man. (m bison), Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:06 (four years ago) link
yeah giannis, then brow vs luka
props to trae young for playing well enough that that trade doesn't look like a total joke though
― ciderpress, Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:19 (four years ago) link
yeah giannis is really the only one that gave me pause
― k3vin k., Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:20 (four years ago) link
i'd take kawhi if it weren't for his medical issues
― Clay, Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:20 (four years ago) link
cool luka fact is that he has done one dunk so far this season
― k3vin k., Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:21 (four years ago) link