Beyond the Valley of the Dolls - provide spoilers

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I've just read on Wikipedia, a quote from the author that Z-Man was intended to be read as a (presumably) cis woman who was living in male drag? No. No, no, no. That's not a reading that ever even dawned on me, it seemed so obvious that Z-Man was trans.

The other 80% of the paragraph outside the parentheses is about the mutability of readings, and how the author and his co-author's intentions are literally unable to be derived from viewing due to the nature of the authorship.

A cis woman in drag? Noooo, I always thought of that as a trans character. What cis nonsense is this, that she wasn't trans.

He also goes on to use a trans* descriptor, even if the one he used in either 1970 or 1980 might not have been the one he was using by 2013, and apply the pronoun that is most respectful to that (one afternoon on one day in) 1970 conception of the character.

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:27 (four years ago) link

My understanding was that they were running out of budget and time, and brainstormed an ending.

Mark G, Sunday, 10 November 2019 09:21 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

I know the two films have nothing to do with each other, but I'm not going to start a thread on the first one...I'm reading Steven Rebello's Dolls! Dolls! Dolls!: Deep Inside Valley of the Dolls, the Most Beloved Bad Book and Movie of All Time, so I thought I'd better look at the film again (saw it once a long time ago). It's not irresistibly bad. Patty Duke provides much of the camp, but mostly it's just slow and disjointed and boring. The weirdest thing for me is that the foundation of the film is supposed to be this great friendship between the three women, but they must have skipped that part when adapting the book--they seem to go from not knowing each other to some vague implication that they're lifelong friends who are always checking up on each other. Not sure if having Martin Milner play a press agent is supposed to be an inside joke going back to Sweet Smell of Success. Never knew Barbara Parkins is Canadian (and still alive).

clemenza, Thursday, 24 June 2021 14:19 (two years ago) link

Valley of the Dolls is perhaps the most inert "camp classic" of all time.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Thursday, 24 June 2021 14:22 (two years ago) link

Meant to mention Richard Dreyfuss! One scene near the end, about 30 seconds, just like in The Graduate.

clemenza, Thursday, 24 June 2021 14:25 (two years ago) link


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