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Back from the long and winding homework/spam, of various forks and other implements in the road. (xxhuxx, you got my Shack Shakers, rat? Sent it on one of your busiest edays, it now occurs to me.)Just now added some stuff about The Outsider to a remixed CharLoaf profile of Crowell. Boy, I wish I'd listened to this more when it first came out. Really grew on me, the way his artpop smarts balance the preachiness, and intentionally so: he's well aware of his own limitations, especially in these times any times, but especially these, and I get the sense that his life, as reflected in the fact that he's one of the few musical or other geezers who's still learning, is getting better as The Situation gets worse,which is something eh). And I just got this Edd tape, incl the Everlys' Two Yanks In England (orig 1966, reissued by Collectors Choice 05), which Edd brought up when we were first discussing The Outsider on the Rolling 2005 Thread. (Speaking of geezer artpop smarts, Todd Rundgren's sounding pretty decent with The New Cars on the Tonight Show as I write this.) I can dub it for you, Frank, if you're still curious about the Everlys (and prob Roots and Songs Our Daddy taught us would be illuminating, but I don't have those). And yeah, they sound like the Daddys of the Rodneys. (icnl The Outsider and what he was doing when if not before he and his Cherry Bombs were hanging out with Nick and Carlene and Dave and Rockpile). They sound perfectly at home, invading the British Invasion. I do wish they did a few more of their songs and a few less of the Hollies, or more of the Hollies' hits, rather than some that are clunky verbose,in that shadow-of-the-Beatles-and-Dylan-damaged 60s way, neither making it as passionatetly adolescent wordspew, nor a show of chops, dognose But! Edd adds rather exhilarating (also mid-60s) bonus tracks, and I gotta admit the Hollies wrote several of my fave raves even before that. Like "Fifi The Flea." One of those that (like even some of the best Beatles and Dylan) would look not so hot as words on paper, but the tune and the singing add sooo much. (Like"Mood Ring," by Paul Thorn, who also wrote Sawyer Brown's "Mission Temple Fireworks Stand," at least when I heard him live on the radio, just voice and guitar, it was spooky as "Fifi.") The Everlys' "Things Go Better With Coke" works about as well, I swear, and is the prefect ending to Side A. Thankks Edd!

don, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 05:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I'll let those typos stand, and Side B of the Edd tape has Stoney Edwards's Mississippi You're On My Mind (Capitol 1975; don't think his albums have made it to CD, have they, Edd). In there between Charlie Pride and Merle (and I think I'd hear it that way even if I didn't know he was black). The richness of his voice, and the way he sounds at home and basically at ease in his own skin makes the pain he sings about and through go so well with and for the good times. He sings about loss, but "We Sure Danced Us Some Good 'Uns" and "We're Learing How To Smile Again" are something to live up to (for him too: the former song is what he likes to think Mama and Papa said to each other; the latter is very much present tense, work in progress. These could both be so nothing, from so many other singers.) And "Hank And Lefty Raised My Country Soul" is kinda hurt-so-good: "Daddy said Hank made the hairs on the back of his neck crawl." "The Cute Little Waitress" said "yes" to his proposal, but that don't keep him from (in fact, it confirms him in)railing at the barkeep about how she's the only worthwhile thang in this dump. the title track is fervently home sweet home in the first verse, but past the moneyshot chorus, he's ODing on Mother Nature, and sunstroked, hoping to make it the creek "before I'm fried." After that,Joe Tex tracks from Soul Country(Dial 1968): several Top Forty covers, but my fave is the one I think he wrote, with his beyond-"Fifi"/"Mood Ring" touch, about risking his hip and his lip for you, with the reminder that "You know I love my lip, and I love my hip," so no small price is he willing to pay, baybay. After this, he certainly deserves to cover "King Of The Road," so he does. Oh yeah, the Rodney mix ("The Sorceress's Apprentice") is posted here: http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com

don, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 06:23 (eighteen years ago) link

And now to check Martin's links

don, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link

has anyone watched the first episode of the new season of nashville star, for somone whos motto is love anyone john rich can bw both cryptic and bitchy--but of the 10 singers, too many belters, and not enough ballads,

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 06:47 (eighteen years ago) link

(after reading Martin's piece)Oh yeah, now that's what I'm talkin about, or meant to. The bit about how "amazing" it is that a blackperson could pick a good rockpop song is but one example of how this essay would grace Rip It Up: The Black Experience In Rock 'n' Roll (Kandia Crazy Horse, ed.) And yeah again we must bust stupid use of "solipsism" (see also the thread about Frank's book). And the lack of Al Jackson and other crucial contributors (you cite) might well be why Al and Willie weren't quite as Together Again on the Blue Note comeback as I'd hoped. (Took a while to ignite, that 'un.)

don, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 06:52 (eighteen years ago) link

also, im really pleased the yodeller didnt lose this week. BRING BACK THE YODEL

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 07:28 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah Anthony, Rich could get cranky on "Muzik Mafia" (short-lived CMT "reality" show. Like (just *one* example)when the very positive Times review mentioned that their NYC three-ring debut was "a little rough" re picking up cues etc, at times, he had a hissyfit about them dayumn Yankee foofoos etc., even though (especially cos?) Big and Gretchie and Troy agreed with the review. xpost guys, I don't remember what I said on here before, but yeah "Eye Is On the Sparrow" and "Rainy Day Women" are kinda clunky (the former moreso, esp. as opener), and yeah it's more about her voice, but overall it works, so far. Some good Jessi tracks were added to the Wanted: The Outlaw comp,when it was reissued several years ago.

don, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 07:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Not all of Stoney Edwards's stuff has made it onto CD yet, as far as I can tell, but I think there's a best of and a twofer. I think he's aces.

My copy of the Rhonda Towns (her name makes me think of former mining communities in South Wales but that's British people for you) arrived yesterday. First reaction is that it's mixed but when it hits, it really hits. I can't get enough of this slightly retro sounding modern country(politan), further recommendations welcomed.

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's one, Tim (again, see what I say about her up above as well):

http://cdbaby.com/cd/mikomarks

And this is the Stoney Edwards CD comp I swear by:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:cze997y0krrt

It occurs to me that one thing I hate about Steve Earle's version of "Rednecks" is that he really overplays its conceit, trying way too hard to sing it *like* a redneck (which Randy didn't really need to do at all), and it comes out ridiculous. I also have a feeling that Earle thinks using the N-word is hugely transgressive or some shit; he seems to give it this emphasis for no reason, like "look at me, I'm saying 'nigger', am I a renegade or what?" Though maybe I just imagined that. In contrast, Sonny Landreth (who has never done anything for me, inasmuch as I remember listening to him) really *underplays* "Louisiana 1927," and it's not great, but I don't mind it nearly as much. Maybe it's just that it would be really hard for *anybody* to do that song unmovingly now. (Well, except Steve Earle maybe, if he tried it.) Album also has the Duhks doing "Political Science," by the way, which I look forward to coming up on my random CD changer but it hasn't yet, and I've been too lazy to go un-random.

And Don, yes, I did get your Shackshakers thing. Thanks.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

(I mean Earle gives the n-word EXTRA emphasis.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

that's pretty much my criticism of Earle on the Sugar Hill Newman comp. there's probably no way to be more transgressive than the original of "Rednecks." and "transgressive" is a stupid word, probably, for Newman's songs, unless you think the whole of the American Experiment is Transgressive. anyway, I've heard stories of southern audiences put...off...by that "Good Old Boys" stuff, and recently. the way to do songs like that is just dead calm, as Newman proved on "Sail Away." just sing it, fuck, with a Randy Newman song, you're got all you need right there.

obviously, I'm a fan of Newman's, altho sometimes the cheap shots are a bit much, and it's not the sort of expansive, life-affirming music that I need to counterbalance my dark nites of the soul, etc.

and Don, shit, you absolutely need the Everly's "Roots." If you like the one I sent you. There are maybe 6 or 7 essential "country-rock" records, I went back and listened to a ton of that crap recently, and "Roots" probably beats 'em all except for maybe "Gilded Palace."

well, I'm having no problems with Jessi's record, after a few listens. I really love "Starman" and "You Can Pick 'Em" and "Out of the Rain," somehow the laggy electric piano on this record seems to establish a mood that's reflective but not too wet--she's wandering around the desert and she's staying cool, hydrated, remembering how Waylon used to laugh, maybe. for me, simple-minded fool I am, I just love the groove on most of this, like on "Velvet and Steel." and how she doesn't try too hard to be sexy, like she needs to try.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

So wow, any thoughts on DALE (as opposed to Gene, who I probably used to confuse him with) Watson? His "Way Down Texas Way" song on that *Rollergirls* soundtrack is great, and his new *Whiskey or God*, on first listen, sounds as good as any country album I've heard this year. HARD-ASSED hard-drinking honky tonk stuff, with at least one totally funky truckdriver rap song and a song about going insane and TONS of swing, Western and otherwise. On Palo Duro Records out of Tenneesse. Didn't he used to have actual hits? What were they? Either way, he's great. Does anybody know what his best earlier albums are?

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

(He also does some Tex-Mex stuff in Spanish.) Anyway, his album reminded me of this, which I posted on last year's thread (and later toned down the "kicks much ass" claim, but it's still relevant):

Shotgun Shack (see www.shotgun-shack.com) "My Guitar is a Memory" is really good if you think of it as a single with four extraneous alt-country B-sides ("recorded live one afternoon at Loho Studios in NYC"), less so if you think of it as an EP; your choice. I guess the second best song is "Welcome Back to the Nest." Title cut (opening couplet: "I got left outside of Austin, my guitar's still in the truck/Daaaaale Watson says he just ran out of luck") kicks much ass.
-- xhuxk (xedd...), November 16th, 2005.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Saw most Nashville Star on USA last night. Checked out in the middle to do something productive because the contestants, winnowed down from 20,000 by Big & Rich, Phil Vassar, and some dame are all basically local pros. They have their websites, their fan buses, they all look good, most of them outstanding. Judging them is a petty business because it's just a gut thing or waiting for someone to do something inappropriate in their ebullience. Or just plain choke.

All the contestants are so supremely confident, ambitious and grandiose in their plans, they're unnerving. But that's a common trait, I suppose, in reality 'reach for your dream' TV. You can't be a nebbish with a bit of doubt or desperation in your eye, until you get voted off, like Jewels Harrison did last night.

Criticisms wind up sounding stupid. Big could think of nothing to say that was clever one time so he chirped at the next to last guy for having too many of Steve Earle's stage moves. Shut it, Big. The dude was fine.

B&R opened the show with their hard rockin' "Comin' To You City." I can't follow the reasoning behind putting the midget/dwarf/little person with God Bless Tiny Tim canes/crutches onstage to rock out and grimace at the TV audience. This is bad practice and has to be stopped.

Cowboy Troy plays the comic foil/boob to Wynonna. I think the plan is to make the routine like the Sonny & Cher show if you remember that. I doubt if I'll be able to stick with it for the whole eight episodes.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

speaking of close-sung, Roug Shop's "Far Past the Outskirts" is playing

Thanks for giving it a spin, Edd. I'm in Austin now (I'll keep my eyes out for you Josh; or drop me a line if you're checking the board) with a shitty wi-fi connection in my hotel room--apparently, if I stand on one foot and point the laptop northeast while humming "All My Exs Live in Texas", I get a connection.

Anyways, that's Anne Tkach (ex-Hazeldine and Nadine bassist) singing "Everything You Love", which I co-wrote with my friend Michael Friedman (who is not in the band), and Andy Ploof doing the Richard Thompsony guitar on "Hellbound Train" (a trad arr song, which Chuck Berry also cut), and yeah, I think you're right about the Fairporty qualities. But they're all friends, great people, so I'm not objective, but glad you're enjoying. If anybody else wants a copy (hey don, I need to send you one; drop me a line), just write.

I'm seeing The Mammals tomorrow, maybe Jessi Colter and Roky Erikson tonight. I'll report back.....

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, I've been seeing the promo spots for Wynnonna (I think she should change her name to this, like Betty LaVett becoming Bettye LaVette) and C-boy Troy. the one I remember, Wynonnaa was getting miffed because Troy was having a big party, like she couldn't kick his ass and eat up all his dip in a flash. and when you say "local pros," George, that is what I was afraid of. local pros are everywhere.

I guess the Newman thing isn't bad, having to choose from Sugarhill artists. I mean the possibilities are infinite; but I myself do just like to think about Del McCoury's thought-processes as he sings "Birmingham." did he know the song? probably, because there's really no such thing as local pros any more, and Del's hip. but actually he's boring doing "Birmingham." and it does sorta defeat him. "Rider in the Rain" suits Willy Braun of Reckless Kelly, this kind of artificial sorrow suits him too. but I coulda thought up, any one of us could have thought up, more interesting pairings. Toby Keith doing "Davey the Fat Boy." Gary Allan doing "Lucinda." Faith Hill doing "I Wish It Would Rain Today." Big & Rich doing one like "Political Science" or "It's Money I Love" from "Born Again."
xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Wynonnaa was getting miffed because Troy was having a big party

Yep, that's the routine. Troy acts like a goof, she looks slightly annoyed, cocks her eyebrows, makes a face or says something very vaguely
put down. It's really watered down Sonny & Cher.

The entire concept of open call auditions for 20,000 must appeal to an American chump's 'egalitarian' sense. But with a record contract at stake it's only an illusion. Realistically, the only people that are going to get on TV are those already polished to the state of readymade.

No Ted Mack's Amateur Hour. Most of the contestants seem technically better than the people whose names you didn't know on "Hee-haw."

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

xp:

eh, AMG seems to be saying that Dale Watson has mainly recorded for indies (Hightone, Audium, Koch), and just since the mid '90s, so no, probably no hits. (I was probably confusing those with Gene's, too.)

> It's really watered down Sonny & Cher.<

And wasn't Sonny & Cher mostly watered down Louis Prima and Keely Smith in the first place? At least that's the idea I've always had.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know -- it always seemed to me my parents like the Sonny & Cher show for their mildly antagonistic comedy routine. The skits, what I remember of them, were often painful. I can see Cowboy Troy as the host of a variety show. Rich was annoying for most of the show. He had a rat-like whine when giving his opinion, even if it was a good one. That said, I liked B&R's performance just fine, except for the midget/dwarf/very small person with big head and that was off to the side so if you wanted to glance away you could.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

But the most awkward moment for the midget/dwarf/very small person was when he conducted the exit interview with cast off Jewels (who did over emote on Montgomery Gentry's "Gone") and told her to "hit the bricks." Cold even for cold reality TV.

werner T., Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, something about a fucking dwarf tellin' you to hit the bricks...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah,or when you see this one-eyed midget shouting the word "NOW". and you very reasonably ask, "For what reason?" (Although that may indicate English is your second language, you gotta right.) And he says, "How?" and of course you say, "What does this mean?" And he scream back, "You're a COOOWWW, GIVE ME SOME MILK OR ELSE GO HOME." I hate it when that happens. But she'll probably outlive the little turd. Speaking of short people, also worth checking is the Rhino two-disc reissue of Good Ol' Boys, with the demo album Johnny Cutler's Birthday, which was the origin of several songs that made it onto Boys, and has a bunch of others. Johhny's an early 70s B'ham bluecollar workadaddy who lives in those apartments up under the rusty balls of the statue of Vulcan, on Red Mountain. I knew that neighborhood too well back then; how does Ran' know? Disconcerting. also re Ran' there's this: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0404/allred2.php
As for Earle's and other transgressive transmissions in the country, see "That Home Across The Road":
http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/2004_06_01_thefreelancementalists_archive.html (you might have to scroll past some other goodies by Haiku Boy and me, but that's okay. Great to hear that Stoney did make it to CD thanks)

don, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Cowboy Troy guested on WWE Raw this week, in what I guess was some cross-promotional exercise. He didn't wrestle. It occurs to me that Big & Rich would be a perfectly good name for a tag team - it could have been used when The Million Dollar Man Ted Dibiase hired 7'4 Andre The Giant, actually.

Thank you, Don! I think there are all kinds of other reasons why the reunited Green and Mitchell didn't work like the old days. Even if they'd had the old musicians (many are still available - I saw them playing together last year), they would still not have come up with a record to match any of Al Green's '70s Hi albums.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

black sage, *jack's corner*, cdbaby self-release (came out way back in 1998 apparently) somewhere between alt- and pop- country from tustin, california (which i'm guessing might be out in the desert somewhere since the desert's frequently in the lyrics); actually, they emphasize on the cdbaby page how DANCEABLE they are, which i can totally see, so maybe "dance-country" would make the most sense. singer Kathy Ochiai (raised on Linda Ronstadt, the Eagles, and Bonnie Rait, cdbaby says) seems like a real sweetie, and no wallflower when singing, but also far from a professional belter. She sings about marriage a lot: there's a wedding waltz (in fact i think they call it one on the webpage) called "til death do us part" (only track where a guy also sings, I think) followed immediately by a really loveable soft bawdy blues about how it's okay for married women to look at and flirt with other guys (a couple of whom are presented as being traditionally hot/handsome, but one of whom is "pleasingly plump" and losing his hair, yet apparently attractive regardless - how often do you hear songs about THAT, in ANY genre?), at work or at the "tri-city mall" or at a dinner party where Mister Pib is served. And there's another song about an office flirtation and/or romance later, where the boss reads their email, which rhymes with female, and the principle characters meet by the water cooler. And the singer's sister surfs the Internet in the song about going going to the county fair, which uses "Indian Outlaw"/"Indian Reservation" style tom-toms and bellydance/snakecharmer guitar lines but has no questionable lines about either American Indians nor Indian ones, so I guess they just line the sounds, cool! And the opener is also a total flirt, with Kathy telling a guy all the places she'll meet up with him and go skinnydipping and stuff. So: Sexy! And "Jack's Corner" is even more an advertising jingle for a (real or imaginary) smalltown corner bar/restaruant than the Kentucky Headhunters singing let's go down to Dumas Walker's, and later there's a song about a waitress named Oleander at a different restaurant who's poison because she doesn't want love and just needs guys to quench her thirst out there in the desert. And what else? Oh yeah, a traditonally droning folk song (just about the only non-upbeat song on the record) about pregnancy, birth, and early death, but Kathy doesn't SING it like a gloomy folk schoolmarm; she brings it to life despite its drone. And the closer is, well, at first I thought "Tex-Mex polka," but then the words turned French so maybe it's more cajun or zydeco instead, I dunno. Catchy record, and very homemade in that there's something simple, even awkward, about so many of the melodies (Kathy seems more sure of herself as a singer and songwriter than as a tunesmith, though sometimes the words don't even rhyme when you expect to; in fact, she says on the cdbaby page that she wrote the songs for "a virtuoso country singer" who never got around to recording them, so her husband encouraged her to record them herself), but that doesn't really make the record any less endearing, as far as I'm concerned.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

A few typos in there (line = like, etc), sorry.

More explanation from the cdbaby page: "'Jack's Corner' is named after a tiny bar surrounded by sage-covered cattle grazing land that has survived the local development of southern California. Although you may work amongst the traffic and congestion of the city, you can drive for about a half an hour down a beautiful country road and come to this very special place where you can dance the night away."

And it occurs to me that lots of the CD takes place in SUBURBIA, really. So I may well be wrong about the desert, who knows. (Also, as anybody who has seen my second book might realize, I totally have a soft spot for Working-Woman Rock).

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I know people who live in desert suburbs, incl Cali (& AZ & TX)It's getting drier out there (out here too), critters coming further into town, somebody should do a song about that, probably have. Lots of burbs seem like deserts, one way or another. (Gosh that's not very cheerful. I like night skies over the desert.)

don, Thursday, 16 March 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha, so Kathy Ochiai emailed me, asking me what I thought of Black Sage's CD, and when I told her, she said that her and her husband's 20th wedding anniversary was yesterday. What a weird coincidence! (BTW: Frank, Don, and Edd, I sent you all extra copies of the CD.)

I'm pretty much done with the Randy Newman tribute, I think. Starting to think the Restless Kelly/Joe Ely cut isn't quite as great as I say above, and the Earle cut not quite as horrible. (I'm not sure I was right about the stress he gives the n-word, either.)Duhks' "Political Science" is kinda cool, a nice Dixieland-style move for them, and funniest when they drop the bomb on their sweet home Canada of course.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 March 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

from US Charts thread, interesting:

New in the 50: Most intriguing one, though perhaps mainly from a British perspective, is Rascal Flatts at #49 with 'What Hurts The Most', the song that ex-S Club lead singer Jo O'Meara attempted to launch her solo career in the UK with last year. Over here, it peaked at #13 then vanished without trace. Its American progress may be slightly more successful, you'd reckon...

-- William Bloody Swygart (thingummy9...), March 16th, 2006.

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 March 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

So, speaking of music about deserts, what do people think of Alejandro Escovedo? I'm five songs into his new one, and drawing a blank. Once in a while the guitars will bunch up for dramatic effect, I guess. Mostly it sounds like "mood music to go onto a soundtrack of a romantic indie movie about the desert." Hard to imagine what *purpose* it would serve, beyond a movie soundtrack. The first song, "Arizona," seemed best at this -- sort of like Stan Ridgeway with a less interesting (which maybe just means less off-key) voice, or something. Second song had new wave production touches. But now I'm getting bored. (Do people think of Alejandro as a songwriter? I was under the impression they did, but if so, I'm not hearing why.) (Though as a desert soundtrack, I guess this beats the new Calexico.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 16 March 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw a presentation of his musical, In The Name Of The Father, I think it was called, on Austin City Limits. About his own father's early experiences in Mexico and America. Good, but of course a bunch of people were involved, I don't know how a whole album of him in the spotlight would be.Kind of a thin voice, yeah. Anybody heard Rabbit Fur Coat, by Jenny Lewis with the Watson Twins? Ken Tucker reviewed it on Fresh Air, and played some excerpts, which were very appealing, moreso than what I've heard of Rilo Kiley, although I haven't heard a whole album of them either. Brooding, wry, spry, poignant enough. (kind of a Girl Group effect,to some extent, though not retro-literalist about it.)Seems like might fit with Amy Rigby, although Jenny might possibly be a better singer (tho' these were just excerpts) lkg fwd to Kathy & co.xhx thx

don, Thursday, 16 March 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

What's the consensus on Tim McGraw's cover of "When the Stars Go Blue"? That was my favorite from Ryan Adams's Gold album and I'm curious to know if he did anything interesting with it. (I didn't think the Coors/Bono version was an improvement, fwiw.) For years I thought Tim was nothing but eye candy but his tastes in covers have started to pique my interest.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 16 March 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

creepiest cdbaby page i've seen (and no, i'm not gonna listen to the thing, are you nuts?)

http://cdbaby_com/cd/j0hnnyrebel [not real link -- mods]

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

And I wasn't aware of these; has anybody heard Shania's alleged late '80s rock stuff?:

http://cdbaby.com/cd/shaniatwain2

http://cdbaby.com/cd/shaniatwain

I had a copy of one a mid '90s pre-stardom CD by her once, but wasn't very impressed.

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

(not really sure why I posted that johnny rebel link...just shocked by it, i guess. i know cdbaby pages are self-posted, but I would've thought the site would have some kind of weeding or monitoring process that would draw the line at the KKK, but I guess not.)

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:48 (eighteen years ago) link

(and looks like there are at least 2 MORE cdbaby CDs collecting those paul sabu-produced shania sessions - four CDs total, four different covers. i bet some people collect them all!)

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

So, speaking of music about deserts, what do people think of Alejandro Escovedo? I'm five songs into his new one, and drawing a blank. Once in a while the guitars will bunch up for dramatic effect, I guess. Mostly it sounds like "mood music to go onto a soundtrack of a romantic indie movie about the desert." Hard to imagine what *purpose* it would serve, beyond a movie soundtrack. The first song, "Arizona," seemed best at this -- sort of like Stan Ridgeway with a less interesting (which maybe just means less off-key) voice, or something. Second song had new wave production touches. But now I'm getting bored. (Do people think of Alejandro as a songwriter? I was under the impression they did, but if so, I'm not hearing why.) (Though as a desert soundtrack, I guess this beats the new Calexico.)
-- xhuxk (xedd...), March 16th, 2006.

I have not heard it yet, but isn't this new one produced by John Cale? Alejandro has always proclaimed his love for slow-tempoed Velvets and Mott the Hoople songs, and he crossed that with a bit of country and Mexican sounds to create that atmospheric minor chord approach of his.
One of his recent cds was produced by Chris Stamey I think, who pushed/encouraged Alejandro into writing an upbeat pop # or 2. I have always liked him live, but the last time I saw him(with several cello players, a violinist and more)I had the impression that his songwriting had gotten into a rut. But I was just glad to see him alive frankly, as he had been in the hospital suffering from hepatitis c and other ailments. He was sitting down for the whole show.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 17 March 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Cale produced it. But I'm guessing, from the sound and from what you say, that Alejandro must be one of those guys who bizarrely believes that the Velvets (and Mott?!) were polite parlor-room chamber musicians rather than bands who knew how to rock and roll. Too bad. (I never liked the Cowboy Junkies or Galaxie 500, either, though, so what do I know?)

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 15:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I am glad to hear he's beating the Hep C, though. Sad to hear, but good for him.

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Alejandro has done noisy Stooges and Ramones covers for years as encores, and always talks fondly about his memories seeing such groups. Remember, now 50 something Alejandro was in the San Fran 70s punk band the Nuns before he went the roots and alt-country route. He knows how to rock, he just chooses not to. I wish he'd mix it up and do a little of both.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 17 March 2006 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Might be good to get that J R link deleted, before some of his fangoons show up. Wasn't Alejandro also in Rank And File for a while? And he was in the loud True Believers (three guitars, I think). Started early, maybe he just got louded out, by the time he became an Austin icon of chamber alt (ND's Artist Of The Decade). Kid brother of Santana's Coke Escovedo,and they're uncles of Sheila E.

don, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, good point about JR link Don; I just made a moderator request to delete it. (And if any mods see this, please do so, thanks.)

My review of my favorite current band featuring an Escovedo is here:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0344,eddy,48162,22.html

xhuxk, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, something about a fucking dwarf tellin' you to hit the bricks...

Yeah, it was piling on. Unsportsmanlike conduct, personal foul, fifteen yards and ejection from game. Jewels was left for last, which is hard, you could see it coming with the judges who were having a hard time distinguishing between the polish, so the last person up gets dinged for overcooking it somewhat in front of the TV audience.

Cowboy Troy would be good in a redo of that abominable Chuck Norris series about two Texas marshalls who administer savage beatings to a few people -- er, varmints -- every episode. Troy would be great for the sidekind, better than the original sidekick. He's bigger for one, and he could unsling his belt and use it as a lash, bonking people -- er, varmints, in the head with the giant oval belt buckle.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Ok, I took one for the team and listened to Johnny Rebel. Like it sez, the "band" plays swampbilly. Sort of old timey as in 50's - 60's but pro sounding, like Coe's Penitentiary Blues in tone. "Looking for a Handout" is probably the least offensive. By themselves, ignoring the lyrics, the tunes are catchy. Hard to tell if it sold like hotcakes as claimed. Interesting to see the claim made as segregationist music, not in an art or political sense, but for a buck because it was what they could sell.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Friday, 17 March 2006 21:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, not trying to be impatient, but shouldn't that Johnny Rebel link be gone by now if the moderators told me hours ago on their forum they were taking care of it? Weird.

Anyway. Johanna Stahley's *I'm Not Perfect* (she's from NYC, I think) is a better Sheryl Crow album than the last Sheryl Crow album. Sounds more like when Sheryl liked beats, back in her "Leaving Las Vegas" days. First song is called "My Big O (I Can)," and, judging from the album cover photo, may well be about the singer's Big O and the achieving of it thereof. Also, she imitates Steve Tyler in it. Another highlight is the one where Johanna falls for a bartender. And even the songs with sorta dreary words don't sound like they do.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Some sites sell Coe's (self-) bootleg of x-rated material, which seems to be mostly sex, judging by the lyrics I've read, though there's one about interracial sex, which uses the n-word, and a subset of these sites also sell J*@## R#$%^& and other stuff, which they like to imply is Coe too, but he vehemently denies it on his own site. (No free links for him either, since he also may have done more n-word-ploitation, according to some reports.)(Didn't try to deal with this in the ancient Voice piece, xxhuxx, because I had even less firsthand knowledge then than now). And has been quoted (On fanboards) as denouncing racism in concert. (Though I think he may've been doing something else in a local show, something more ambiguous, at least,in his proto-Slim Shady devious way, back in the late 90s, cos we had people coming into the store the day after, looking for "that song," though they wouldn't quite say which one; just hopin' I'd know, yknow justbetweenus). Nick Tosches' book Country discusses some of the (J&**^ R**&^%) type of stuff.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

xp! (I typed this before seeing Don's post):

>pro sounding, like Coe's Penitentiary Blues in tone<

Interesting. This reminded me of some redneck asshole when I was in the Army who had what he claimed to be an underground racist "joke" LP by Coe (who I believe *did* use the "n"-word in one of his country hits, as some sort of stupid pun), but in searching on line, this website claims some such records attributed to Coe may have *been* Johnny Rebel:

http://www.answers.com/topic/david-allan-coe

Other websites say there were a couple such "X-rated" Coe albums sold under the name Mysterious Rhinestone Cowboy, exclusively to bikers via *Easy Riders* magazine, and at least one of the song titles sounds explicitly racist, so who knows? (I'm guessing the persona was Coe's equivalent of Clarence Reid's Blowfly? No idea how seriously he took it.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

(My google-proofing instincts aren't what Don's are, apparently. If somebody wants to camouflage JR's name, I've got no qualms. I never heard of the guy til yesterday; had no idea he was such a known entity beyond his cdbaby page)

The actual Coe hit with n-word I'm referring to is "If That Ain't Country": "working like a n***** for my room and board" (not a pun, I guess; I'd remembered it wrong.)

What makes Johanna Stanley's CD so boppy, I figured out, is how her bassist and drummer play full-on late '60s bubblegum soul beats in three straight songs in the middle -- "The Bartender Song," "What You're Doing," and "Misery," the latter of which doesn't sound miserable at all. Tapdancey alley-cat rhythm of "I'm Not Perfect" (a Rickie Lee or Norah Jones move?) and George Michael Diddleybeats of "Nothing I Would Change" are nice, too.

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

i used to have a boot of coe singing the line working like a nigger for my room and board--and it always made me a little sick.

i think that for a variety of reasons (research, vehement anti censorship, free speech, the only thing that kills mould is sunshine, historical value) that johnny rebel should be availble, and that it was wrong to ask cd baby to take it down. though i am often a hypocrite about this, and sometimes my analysis and yellign seems like a calling for censorship, and i most lilkely feel worse about other words

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 18 March 2006 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Who asked Cdbaby to take it down? I'm just surprised they didn't remove it on their own. (And of course it'd only be "censorship" if a law was passed demanding they take it down. Which I would oppose.) (Though not as much as I'd oppose a law telling them to take down the sundry r&b records for toe fetishists and goth records for s&m fetishists I've seen on there.) (Maybe Anthony misunderstood my remark about the moderators? I was referring to the ILX moderators; Don suggested the J.R. link be removed from *this thread.* Which I agree with; in fact, if you look above, I was regretting posting it mere seconds after I did.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 18 March 2006 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

No, we weren't asking cdbaby to take it down. The "working like" line has never seemed gratuitous to (old white Southern) me, because it(cunningly, re xpost ambiguShadyploitation) fits the context of declaring his redneck credentials, and adds to them: not only cause of using the word, but because rednecks were given to understand that they weren't *quite* as exploited as the lowest caste/class was, or so they were spozed to think (and thank G-d for). But in practice, they (at least the lowest, White Trash, sub-Salt Of The Earth) shade of red might well find his or herself working like that. (Coe presents his family as being pretty no-class, in that song, some live renditions of which are epics of bad tooth, if-you-don't-got-it-flaunt-it selfloitation that preempt almost everything except maybe Larry The Cable Guy in Vegas, Ah suspect.)(when LTCG's not doing Family Entertainment on the Blue Collar Comedy Tour). By the way, I spell out "redneck" not because of reverse discrimination, but because it seems (somewhut)less likely to be googled by trolls than the other one. I hope so, anyway.

don, Saturday, 18 March 2006 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link


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