See? The running time made an obvious joke flaccid
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 November 2019 01:27 (four years ago) link
It clearly did for you, yes. I am not blaming the film’s run time, just the length of that particular pre-murder shaggy dog story and its particular obviousness as such.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 November 2019 01:40 (four years ago) link
Was someone trying to fuck the fish
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Thursday, 7 November 2019 01:41 (four years ago) link
but paquin is REALLY egregious
I have bad news for you about basically every post-Margaret Paquin film role
― Simon H., Thursday, 7 November 2019 01:48 (four years ago) link
Again though: the film’s air of preordained outcome and mad lib gangster dialogue made for pleasant but valid page turning; the decision to keep the camera running much longer than it had to implicates the viewer in a way I thought made the movie matter. “Hey, you wanted the tough guy bullshit; here’s how it actually resolves.”Separately, this could’ve lost a half an hour in its belly with zero impact and I wouldn’t argue otherwise. But everyone’s enjoying themselves so much onscreen and behind the camera (and not incidentally, in my audience at least), it seems churlish to bitch.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 November 2019 01:49 (four years ago) link
xxpdidn't realise Captain Birdseye was a teamster. i'm learning new things from this movie before i've even seen it.
― calzino, Thursday, 7 November 2019 01:49 (four years ago) link
Valid=vapid in that post
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 November 2019 01:50 (four years ago) link
I'm not gonna get to see this before the 27th
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Thursday, 7 November 2019 01:53 (four years ago) link
tbh I didn't mind the shaggy bits cause I knew he was setting Netflix's money on fire
― Simon H., Thursday, 7 November 2019 02:04 (four years ago) link
On the contrary: it'll play well on Netflix, just not in the cinema.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 November 2019 02:05 (four years ago) link
I saw it in the cinema fwiw and was not bored or annoyed at any point (the last post was a joke; setting Netflix's money on fire was merely a bonus)
― Simon H., Thursday, 7 November 2019 02:11 (four years ago) link
I like Anthony Lane's remark: structurally it's Wild Strawberries with guns. And I appreciated its fascination with geriatric crime. But by the time it got to the third hour and the film was figuring out how to kill Hoffa I felt a quiet soul death.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 November 2019 02:18 (four years ago) link
On the contrary to YOUR contrary!I love discussing le cinema
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 November 2019 02:28 (four years ago) link
and the film was figuring out how to kill Hoffa
It's not doing this.
Anyway, KJB and I both liked. I think the phone call to Hoffa's widow is late-career peak for de Niro -- it's like the whispery equivalent of cut-up poetry.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 November 2019 00:59 (four years ago) link
(of course I haven't seen Bad Grandpa)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 November 2019 01:00 (four years ago) link
I think the phone call to Hoffa's widow is late-career peak for de Niro -- it's like the whispery equivalent of cut-up poetry.
yes that is an absolutely staggering moment
― Simon H., Sunday, 10 November 2019 01:13 (four years ago) link
it's the best thing he does in the film; thought he mostly just wandered through otherwise but that's a good moment of a man losing his soul
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:43 (four years ago) link
there's now a mini controversy about Paquin's role in this because of course there is
― Simon H., Sunday, 10 November 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
It is.
With the distance of several days, it's fine second-tier Scorsese, his An Autumn Afternoon: the material isn't fresh but the 'autumnal' notes are.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 10 November 2019 22:53 (four years ago) link
De Nro and Pesci are at their peak, Pacino less so. These Method hams like him and Nicholson have to imitate him when the surest way would've been to evoke Hoffa without bothering with the accent and hairline.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 10 November 2019 22:55 (four years ago) link
People grousing about Paquin's low number of lines (I assume that's the 'controversy' bcz I don't give a flying shitto) would not have understood the power of silent cinema. She's there to haunt her father -- words are mostly superfluous -- and that's why you need an actor of "her stature" to pull that off.
(frankly I had forgotten she was the lead in Margaret)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 November 2019 01:47 (four years ago) link
and she's actually *named* Margaret in this one
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 November 2019 01:49 (four years ago) link
"evoking Hoffa" doesn't sound fun... guy was a bellowing steamroller. (I bet that Robert Blake miniseries from the '80s has some ham too.)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 November 2019 02:01 (four years ago) link
You're missing my point. Few actors in the last 30 years bother looking or sounding like RFK besides a broad Bahston Braaahmin accent, so why try for "truth" with Hoffa? It freezes the actors.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 November 2019 02:07 (four years ago) link
Is there controversy over Paquin? My cavil was, "Hey, is that Paquin, and why is she just glowering?"
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 November 2019 02:08 (four years ago) link
“I kept asking Steve Zaillian if we can layer her in the story,” Scorsese said at the DGA Theater in NYC. “I decided that she doesn’t have to say anything. You see your father do something like that, I’m sorry… You see him crush the guy’s hand like that… other kids maybe, but this kid couldn’t take it. She looks at him. She knows he’s up to something and Lucy was great, but Anna ultimately was amazing in the looks. She has one line in the film. There’s something you can’t talk about. She knows it. She knows who she is. He knows she knows. Even when she’s sitting there and the police are talking about Joey Gallo being [murdered.] ‘A lone gunman walked in…’ and you see she’s looking at him.”
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/martin-scorsese-anna-paquin-irishman-1202185371/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 November 2019 02:09 (four years ago) link
I've heard Hoffa and Pacino doesn't esp sound like him. Many viewers are going to be confused by Al playing an Irish-Pa Dutch guy though.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 November 2019 02:10 (four years ago) link
Won't bother linking to the Guardian "writer" who at one point opines "She seems more like a symbol than a real person." BINGO, SWEETZ, YA GOT IT
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 November 2019 02:13 (four years ago) link
he also throws away jesse plemons, bobby cannavale, jim norton... Steve Van Zandt does some blink and you miss it lip synching!
omg KJB and I both failed to figure out who SVZ was. I did wonder why they got a fire-hydrant-shaped Jerry Vale.
Jim Norton should be thrown away regularly fwiw
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 November 2019 02:17 (four years ago) link
"acting" is when the actor says lines!!!
― Simon H., Monday, 11 November 2019 02:20 (four years ago) link
yeah exactly... "line count," what a clown.
anyway the Hoffa role is kinda written as heavily comic... I didn't see it as an impression. If anything my main problem is he was too much like Big Boy Caprice -- which was also his chief virtue!
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 November 2019 02:22 (four years ago) link
Lmao
― Οὖτις, Monday, 11 November 2019 02:22 (four years ago) link
Cos
Argh stupid phone, dont mind me
― Οὖτις, Monday, 11 November 2019 02:23 (four years ago) link
"Hey, is that Paquin, and why is she just glowering?"
She hates and fears her father.
You can argue the nonverbal approach doesn't work, and that's fine, but the intention is clear.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 November 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link
on soundtrack choices
https://www.slashfilm.com/the-irishman-soundtrack/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 18:58 (four years ago) link
(text kinda spoilery if u care)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 18:59 (four years ago) link
is it true this movie is 3.5 hours long?
― flopson, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link
yes
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
worth it?
― flopson, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:14 (four years ago) link
Ça dépend!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link
sure!
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:25 (four years ago) link
It feels faster than Casino, which is 30 minutes shorter... although it is paced more slowly.
but you can always go back to yr must-see 70-hour TV series
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
OK!
― temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:29 (four years ago) link
i ended up sitting next to a guy i hadn't seen in years at the theater when i saw this and when the lights came up the first thing he said was "well i've got to see that again later this week". I mean, he's nuts but i can see rewatching this at some point.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:31 (four years ago) link
MoMA's running it for a week after Christmas, and i will likely return
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:43 (four years ago) link
This movie sucks, and nothing will ever change my mind about that fact. I haven't seen it though, and I refuse to ever see it.
― Dan I., Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:47 (four years ago) link
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, November 13, 2019 2:27 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
is this a zing directed at me? i watch like one season of tv per year lol
― flopson, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:48 (four years ago) link
not at all, i was speaking to the times in which we live. sorry flopson
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link
i will retroactively direct it at mob-film-hater Eric tho (xo)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link