why are you taking this personally
― imago, Tuesday, November 5, 2019 11:11 AM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i wasn't until you said "if these are your horizons i pity you tbh"
― kanye kendrick frank kendrick frank kanye (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
but you must like more sorts of music than this
i mean, surely
― imago, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 16:29 (four years ago) link
i mean, obviously...
― kanye kendrick frank kendrick frank kanye (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 16:34 (four years ago) link
actually, the only songs i like are the 200 listed on stereogum's best songs of the decade. no more, no less.
Uhhh this list is exactly the same as the Pitchfork list, like even down to the blurbs being the same length and everything.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 16:41 (four years ago) link
Not true, this list doesn't say pitchfork anywhere at all
― Evan, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
the blurbs are also much shorter
― kanye kendrick frank kendrick frank kanye (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
“this is the music that MATTERED, and this is why it was IMPORTANT CULTURALLY and POLITICALLY”
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 16:44 (four years ago) link
“Wrecking Ball” and “Telephone” had MEMORABLE VIDEOS and “Formation” had the SUPER BOWL HALFTIME SHOW
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 16:46 (four years ago) link
Beyonce had great singles for sure but I'm a bit sceptical about all those albums that are being included on the PF list. Kacey Musgraves is some nondescript stuff too and the canonisation of Frank Ocean baffles me.
Also Pitchfork include Aviary as the sole Julia Holter pick and HYIMW is nowhere to be seen. Ridiculous.
― The World According To.... (Michael B), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 16:49 (four years ago) link
The bottom 1/3 of this list is cool. The top half is mostly what we can expect to see in thousand similar lists just arranged differently. The top 3 is even the same ones as pitchfork.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link
I hope the next decade we’ll see a rise of more focused publications. I know the line between music genres is blurred every passing year but this so called diversity in music actually feels very homogenic by the time these lists come out and everyone is picking the exact same 3 albums and songs as the best in their genres.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
otm x2
― kanye kendrick frank kendrick frank kanye (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:32 (four years ago) link
not fair, moka put it slightly more diplomatically and got the otm lol
― imago, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
moka is nice to me!!!
― kanye kendrick frank kendrick frank kanye (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
:(
― imago, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:46 (four years ago) link
the grinch who dragged stereogum
― imago, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:47 (four years ago) link
Hahaha I don’t have a problem with the list, I just wish the more unique spirit of Stereogum that can be perceived in the bottom 100 would remain in the top 100. It’s not just their problem is a problem that many publications have had and it’s very noticeable at the end of the decade. Publications having a distinct personality and subculture used to be an asset.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
Were such lists any less depressingly predictable twenty years ago? (Serious question, I wasn't really paying attention.)
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
the problem is that time is circling back in on itself, causing the universe to distort, and many people are saying, the internet is shrinking down to a single website that aggregates all others and is able to maintain a consistent, albeit tiny, profit margin.
― at home in the alternate future, (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
That website's name? ilxor.com
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link
there's even a thread on it, this is a problem
― at home in the alternate future, (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
didn't stylus do a list that asked its staff to rank its 100 favorite albums and then only revealed 101-200?
― kanye kendrick frank kendrick frank kanye (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
I mean the audience is to blame too. The moment a publication realizes it gets 10x more clicks writing about Kanye West instead of say, Bon Iver, the strategy shifts to an attack on al fronts. Let’s write about Avicii, Ariana Grande, Animal Collective the same day, three times the chance of getting the interest of different readers.
It’s a trend that even infected music festivals. It’s become a kind of travelling circus that goes around the world with virtually the same “diverse” lineup but with a different festival name.
It’s killing actual diversity in music to only get “the cream of the crop” in any given year but it’s not surprising why it’s happening.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
idk I'd almost want to analyse these lists - pfork, stereogum etc - on an artist-by-artist basis and work out the curatorial parameters, the boxes being ticked, the consensuses they're trying to manufacture
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link
Huh, that's weird, 'cause I have the same problem.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 18:14 (four years ago) link
haven’t FPed lj in a while
― flopson, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 18:32 (four years ago) link
WE MUST PERFECT THE LISTS. THE LISTS ARE A DISGRACE. THE LISTS ARE MAKING ME ILL.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 18:43 (four years ago) link
hark at crown prince milquetoast himself
― imago, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 18:56 (four years ago) link
dafuq are you talkin about cuz
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:09 (four years ago) link
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvg5j3/the-100-best-albums-of-the-2010s
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 7 November 2019 10:34 (four years ago) link
100 Salem - King Night99 Cardi B - Invasion of Privacy98 M83 - Hurry Up, We're Dreaming97 (Sandy) Alex G - House of Sugar96 Nothing - Guilty of Everything95 Macintosh Plus - Floral Shoppe94 The Hotelier - Home, Like No Place Is There93 Skrillex - Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites92 Elysia Crampton - American Drift91 Gojira - Magma90 Mac Miller - Swimming89 The War on Drugs - Lost in the Dream88 Pile - Dripping87 Jeremih - Late Nights: The Album86 FKA Twigs - LP185 Wiley - Zip Files84 Nicki Minaj - The Pinkprint83 Sheer Mag - Need to Feel Your Love82 Darkside - Psychic81 Holly Herndon - Platform80 Total Control - Henge Beat79 Gucci Mane - World War 378 Parquet Courts - Light Up Gold77 Turnstile - Nonstop Feeling76 Kelela - Take Me Apart75 LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening74 100S - Ice Cold Perm73 James Blake - James Blake72 YOB - Atma71 PJ Harvey - Let England Shake70 Stormzy - Gang Signs and Prayer69 Justin Bieber - Journals68 Dean Blunt - The Redeemer67 John Maus - We Must Become the Pitiless Censors of Ourselves66 J Balvin - Vibras65 Lorde - Melodrama64 Lil Peep - Come Over When You're Sober63 Burna Boy - Africa Giant62 Lana Del Rey - Norman Fucking Rockwell61 The-Dream - Love Kingn60 SOPHIE - Oil of Every Pearl's Un-Insides59 Freddie Gibbs & Madlib - Piñata58 Bon Iver - Bon Iver57 Sturgill Simpson - Metamodern Sounds in Country Music56 Kamasi Washington - The Epic55 Japandroids - Celebration Rock54 Grouper - Ruins53 Tyler, the Creator - Flower Boy52 Carcass - Surgical Steel51 Jamie xx - In Colour50 Ozuna - Odisea49 ANOHNI - Hopelessness48 Frank Ocean - channel ORANGE47 Aphex Twin - Syro46 Drake - If You're Reading This It's Too Late45 PartyNextDoor - PND244 Popcaan - Forever43 Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest42 Future - 56 Nights41 Prurient - Frozen Niagara Falls40 The Weeknd - House of Balloons39 Grimes - Visions38 Blood Orange - Cupid Deluxe37 Charli XCX - Pop 236 Deafheaven - Sunbather35 Waka Flocka Flame - Flockaveli34 Thundercat - Drunk33 Janelle Monáe - Dirty Computer32 Angel Olsen - Burn Your Fire For No Witness31 Sufjan Stevens - Carrie & Lowell30 Chance the Rapper - Acid Rap29 Titus Andronicus - The Monitor28 Kendrick Lamar - good kid, m.A.A.d city27 Kacey Musgraves - Golden Hour26 Arca - Arca25 Carly Rae Jepsen - EMOTION24 Beyoncé - Beyoncé23 Chief Keef - Almighty So22 Robyn - Body Talk21 Tierra Whack - Whack World20 Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy19 Young Thug - Barter 618 Lana Del Rey - Born to Die17 Mount Eerie - A Crow Looked at Me16 Bad Bunny - X100PRE15 SZA - CTRL14 Fiona Apple - The Idler Wheel...13 Tame Impala - Lonerism12 Miguel - Kaleidoscope Dream11 Beach House - Teen Dream10 Oneohtrix Point Never - Replica09 Future - DS208 Kendrick Lamar - To Pimp a Butterfly07 Rihanna - Anti06 DJ Rashad - Double Cup05 Beyoncé - Lemonade04 Power Trip - Nightmare Logic03 Frank Ocean - Blonde02 Rich Gang - Tha Tour Pt. 101 Solange - A Seat at the Table
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 7 November 2019 10:39 (four years ago) link
Weird list but I like that it has vaporwave, witch house and reggaeton and also a fixation on trap since those were definitely genres that dominated through the decade and haven’t been as prominent (if featured at all) on previous lists. This list kind of feels to me like the most “sounds of the 2010s” so far. It’s far from perfect and I think they’re overrating a bunch of these albums but makes me excited to read a singles/tracks list from them.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 7 November 2019 10:48 (four years ago) link
Many of those genres produced better songs than actual albums. I don’t think I can name an album in those genres that I’d rate a 10/10 but I can easily think of singles that would.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 7 November 2019 10:53 (four years ago) link
Also some interesting revisions of the decade by Chris Otthttps://shallowrewards.substack.com/p/rival-dealer-the-2010s-part-i
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 7 November 2019 11:05 (four years ago) link
that vice list is very weird in places but that at least makes it interesting
the weirdest pick is justin bieber - journals which i don't remember ever seeing anyone advocate for before and in my memory the purpose singles were his only real critical breakthrough. journals had a bizarre release strategy though that made it very overlooked by both critics and the public compared to what you'd expect from someone of bieber's popularity. a weird inclusion like that definitely has me curious at least
― ufo, Thursday, 7 November 2019 11:21 (four years ago) link
I remember liking quite a few of those Journal tracks. It’s been ages though, would have to listen again.
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 7 November 2019 11:43 (four years ago) link
Journals even
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 7 November 2019 11:44 (four years ago) link
(he went full on r&b there)
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 7 November 2019 11:50 (four years ago) link
It is very refreshing to see Burna, Popcaan, Balvin and Ozuna on a list like this.
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 7 November 2019 12:05 (four years ago) link
journals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purpose
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:04 (four years ago) link
between stereogum and vice im a little incredulous that people like born to die so much
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:05 (four years ago) link
me too, i went back to it after nfr and some of it is outright bad, certainly the worst lana album despite being the one with the hits
― ufo, Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:13 (four years ago) link
ldr is a brand that sells well atm
vice list slight improvement on its ghastly forerunners but there are plenty of the same problems. for example but by no means limited to deafheaven as token metal pick across the board
― imago, Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:29 (four years ago) link
at least vice have the decency to throw gojira and carcass in too
― imago, Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:31 (four years ago) link
the vice list has much more metal than i expect to see on most other lists so i don't really think deafheaven count as a token pick there
― ufo, Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:32 (four years ago) link
yeah that Power Trip album is awesome but weird to see so high. i dont agree with a lot of that list but it at least feels more personal.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:34 (four years ago) link
oh haha I didn't even notice that
― imago, Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:39 (four years ago) link
my point stands that there are certain artists cropping up in all of these lists, creating an undisputed canon that i just can't get with. exhibit a: tame impala but there's like 60/70 that are ubiquitous regardless of their merits
― imago, Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:41 (four years ago) link
i suppose we have to find the pleasure in the gaps, which this list has more of. 'henge beat' for instance is a good & crazy call on a fairly obscure album, everyone go listen to 'carpet rash'
― imago, Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:47 (four years ago) link