2019 World Series -- Houston Astros vs Washington Nationals

That Strasburg video looks like an unmistakable blow-off, but, unfortunately, he did shake hands him soon after.

"with"--I have this uncanny ability to omit exactly one word in 90% of my posts.

He can jump in the Potomac.

#FakeNews https://t.co/ovDuHyRUTb

— Stephen Strasburg (@stras37) November 4, 2019

That's the same video as the one above, though--before or after, they shook hands.

http://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/epa-usa-trump-world-series-baseball-washington.jpg?w=1000&h=667

Okay, got it...that's the point you're making.

but that can't be right, i saw a screenshot from the video yesterday and it was clear that Strasburg **HUMILIATED** Trump in public

hmm, this is a rough moment for all of us evidence-based screen capture-heads. time to rejuvenate by taking it easy, resting for a few hours, then going straight back to looking for another screen capture moment that could attain so many likes and retweets

i saw this one shot of don jr yesterday and it is clear that he actually HATES his father and wants to be far away from his every moment!!

Maybe I'll regret opening up this bag of worms ... but I don't see a problem with White House visits. The invitation is to the White House as an institution, that's what this represents. It's not about the sitting president, because this tradition pre-dates him. It would be like winning the Nobel Prize and not showing up because you think the head of the Swedish Academy of Sciences is a dick, or you disagree with the Prize selection process and the politics involved.

the white house as an institution can get fucked too iirc

yeah I wouldn't go under any president tbqh

Well OK, if you dislike the institution completely then that's different.

I don't think that's the stance of the players who refused to go, seeing as athletes across all sports have generally gone to these things without objections. Verlander skipped the victory parade in 2017 and got married instead. Everyone has their priorities.

standing on a stage with trump and smiling about it is nagl for anyone, regardless of what institution is technically hosting the event tho! is, i, think, the thing

xxp that's okay the mets aren't going either ; )

Maybe I'll regret opening up this bag of worms ... but I don't see a problem with White House visits. The invitation is to the White House as an institution, that's what this represents. It's not about the sitting president, because this tradition pre-dates him. It would be like winning the Nobel Prize and not showing up because you think the head of the Swedish Academy of Sciences is a dick, or you disagree with the Prize selection process and the politics involved.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, November 6, 2019 4:55 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

uh no. it would be like if the head of the swedish academy of sciences was a fuckin nazi

Also it's one thing to go and stand respectfully around because it's part of the traditional post-championship whirlwind.

Quite another to wear a MAGA hat and bro-hug the Bad Orange Man.

Just as it's one thing to Not Go for your own private reasons, and another to Not Go while saying loudly why you're Not Going.

I am okay with three of those four choices.

I'm OK with three of the four too. I just said I don't have a problem with anyone who chooses to go. Unless you're wearing a MAGA hat, you're not endorsing anybody or their politics.

Trump is still an outlier in that regard, he's the one president where it's not about the institution and it's not about the team, it's about him, it's always about him, everything always has to be about him or he has no interest in it. It's why the Warriors and the Eagles were disinvited, because someone was mean to Trump and if you're gonna be mean to Trump then you don't get to meet Trump

you're not endorsing anybody or their politics

That doesn't mean footage of you will not appear in campaign material, which is reason enough not to go.

yeah I really disagree. you can either go or not go, and going is consciously rejecting not going

The invitation is to the White House as an institution, that's what this represents. It's not about the sitting president, because this tradition pre-dates him.

if the invitation were to the white house as an institution, various NBA teams wouldn't have been uninvited

trump is unlike previous sitting presidents, and taking part in his personal glorification/subsumption of others' victories is a choice. you can't go chill with mussolini on his balcony and claim innocence

Bringing up Mussolini and the Nazis undercuts the point you guys are trying to make. But I'm going to roll with it.

Yes, the Warriors and I think the Eagles were disinvited because of stuff they said about Trump. They were the winners in that exchange and Trump was the petulant loser.

But that's not the only way to win. If we're insisting on bringing the Nazis, then lots of people (artists, musicians, sports stars) showed up at Nazi-organized or sponsored events because they still wanted to bring class and culture to the people. Sometimes that's what the public likes and respects. And that's what I'm saying I don't have a problem with.

The Nationals going to the WH and continuing that tradition will live on in people's memories (at least for the people who care about this particular tradition), whereas the names of those who decided to stay home will be quickly forgotten. I'm not blaming anyone who chose to stay home. But that's the way it is.

Come on, you can care about the tradition AND understand that preventing a war criminal his photo-op is maybe more important. It's not like the tradition's going to fall apart or something, like players will just stop going in future years because eh it's no big deal.

I don't know how you arrive at that last point: to the contrary it will be the holdouts who are remembered for doing so decades later. Nobody's going to say at Ryan Zimmerman's funeral, "and he attended the WH event with the rest of his team as per custom." I didn't see a lot of the Nats this year but what I'll take away from a couple concentrated weeks of e.g. Anthony Rendon is 1) excellent baseball player and 2) has principles.

The White House: Home of War Criminals Since Teddy Roosevelt

(I thought it was strange, Hade, that you picked the descrip in which the OG is most like his predecessors)

what's funny is he's lagging in that dept. so far, let's give him another five years