Poppy C/D

what's the bad stuff?

"i disagree" is song of the year

I've not really followed her music career, but me & the kids were fans of her peculiar performance art videos at the start. We still quote bits to each other. "3:36? Oh no, I'm late. Three plus three is six. What does it mean?"

great videos

I’m not going to lie, I know about all the bad stuff about her but I’ve listened to Am I A Girl? about a million times since it came out

― gyac, Monday, November 4, 2019 10:18 AM

yeah i'm not sure you can drop that bomb on us without explaining further!

Do you mean the Mars Argo stuff? If it is, yeah that's a fairly deep rabbit hole and I can't engage with her stuff the same way after reading about it. Unless there's even more than that?

Yeah I do!

On April 17, 2018, Sinclair's former collaborator and partner Mars Argo filed a 44-page lawsuit in Central California court against Sinclair and Poppy alleging copyright infringement, stating that Sinclair based Poppy's online persona on hers, as well as emotional and physical abuse Sinclair had allegedly subjected her to in the period after their separation and the subsequent abandonment of the project. On May 7, Poppy made a public statement about the "frivolous" lawsuit, saying Argo was attempting to manipulate her psychologically. She called the suit a "publicity campaign" and a "desperate grab for fame".It was settled out of court on September 14 "with no money exchanging hands".Argo released a statement in January 2019 that all rights to Mars Argo had been assigned to her as part of the settlement.

I was just going to stop by this thread to say I'm considering going to a Poppy show just for the spectacle of it all. That lawsuit thing is heavy tho.

Lowlife is great.

album's out and it's sick as fuck

also she's split with sinclair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm6CsuNjJM4

this is industrial

what on EARTH

Haven’t listened to whole thing yet. Really like Don’t Go Outside.

me too! it's like prog poppy, especially with the reprises. proggy

📹

this is industrial

this album is fantastic, especially like the psych-pop fusion of "concrete" and "anything like me"'s industrial groove

turn me into a street!

this is the best album ever

It is extremely strange and extremely good

watashi wa anata ni doi shimasen

love the depeche mode "grabbing hands grab all they can" reference on "bloodmoney"

in fact i think repurposing an oft-maligned depeche mode lyric kinda summarizes what this album is going for

Yesss I love Depeche Mode and that line is so great ❤️ anyone who hates on DM esp for Everything Counts is clearly a clown though

Well, you've all sold me.

get ready for some riffs ned

the ending of "concrete" kills me, when everything turns into this bright and beautiful ray of positivity while singing 'turn me into a street'

also the drums on "BLOODMONEY" sound a lot like "closer" to me

I didn’t get Closer, but I did get a bit of The Beautiful People from Anything Like Me?

Actually think I’m a bit obsessed with Sit Stay - it’s the whole pre chorus/chorus plus,...that fucking outro is spectacular

turn me into a street!

― ufo, Monday, January 13, 2020 6:45 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

just looping through my head all day

djp and... imago (??) to thread

have already heard some of this, it's pretty good! v much in 2019 eoy mode listening-wise but i'll give this a full go within the next day or so

whoa didn’t realise stet had done the @mention feature so soon!

watched a couple of the videos and I don't hate it but so far I'm struggling to hear how it's much more than a basic version of Grimes.

my initial instinct was that it reminds me of some of the stuff Ginger Wildheart has been doing, especially the Hey Hello album, but a full listen might scotch that

watched a couple of the videos and I don't hate it but so far I'm struggling to hear how it's much more than a basic version of Grimes.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:59 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lemme know when grimes goes full nu-metal psych-pop

hearing "concrete" was a lot like hearing jellyfish's "joining a fan club" for the first time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwoGhpYdebQ

wish i could vote for it in the ilm poll tbh

You know, this kinda reminds me of Shiina Ringo to an extent.

the Shiina Ringo thread

i enjoy a lot of this! "concrete" is friggin great.

i do feel like the juxtaposition of pop and heavier stuff works best when the heavy stuff is as well thought-out and complex as the poppy stuff -- like the power metal-type leads and straight industrial moments are a lot more interesting than like, chunky limp bizkit riffs.

love the "wouldn't it be nice" reference in concrete too

watched a couple of the videos and I don't hate it but so far I'm struggling to hear how it's much more than a basic version of Grimes.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:59 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lemme know when grimes goes full nu-metal psych-pop

― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, January 14, 2020 11:06 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is a good description of one of the videos I watched ("X") but idk it felt less like peanut butter and chocolate and more like peanut butter and mayo (ftr I like mayo).

i have no beef with grimes but she can't write 1 hook let alone 3 in one song

i should say: i have no MUSICAL beef with grimes

also: https://www.metalsucks.net/2020/01/13/hulu-made-a-tv-show-about-the-poppy-mars-argo-titanic-sinclair-drama-and-people-are-pissed/

this is probably entirely the wrong question to ask but to what extent was that sinclair character involved in this new album?

she split from him (and made similar accusations against him)

he has credits on the record but iirc his actual involvement in the songwriting is disputed

didn't realize she just split from him in dec

yep

pic.twitter.com/IJwCBLYiuW

— Poppy (@poppy) December 28, 2019

not that it devalues the music or her art if he is heavily involved obv - just a bit unfortunate

yeah he also directed several of the videos iirc

"never find my place" is pretty with teeth

this album is good but still kinda pales in comparison to EAT

love the way the black metal blastbeat bridge of "on the level" keeps threatening to take over the song

I will never understand this board's fixation with Poppy.

good

Poppy roxx ... not much to understand

i regret not being more fully behind it earlier, i liked it theoretically before i realized i liked it for real

Send "Lessen the Damage" to the "Good 4 U"-loving teen in your life

I’d say if I have a reservation it’s that there’s something a bit conventional abt the songcraft which is extremely strong but I kind of wish it had a few more traces of the aggrieved/extreme tendencies that gave it such early shock factor

*aggro not aggrieved

yeah this album is solid but ultimately its alt-rock pastiche is just less exciting than her previous pop-metal stuff which was a much more distinctive niche

I don’t mind the mainstreaming It just feels a hair too fast to me

I love the records (esp "I Disagree") but the gratuitous mispronounced Japanese lyrics are cringe

Really like this new album. I feel like I both agree and disagree with deej's comments above, in that:

1. Yes this is less distinctive/surprising than the earlier stuff

2. Her specific current vibe, which out of laziness I will just call "Eight Arms To Hold You", is (a) a vibe that I really connect with, probably more than her previous sound once novelty is set aside, and (b) one which requires stronger songwriting than her previous approach in order to sustain, and I think she rises to the challenge accordingly

3. "Stronger songwriting" is relative and as she becomes hookier she risks inviting comparison with other hooky artists whose hooks may more memorable than hers, though I need to sit with this longer to decide just how memorable they are. I revisited Sky Ferreira's album shortly afterwards, and at this stage of preliminary assessment I'm not sure anything here tops "Boys" or "You're Not The One" or "Heavy Metal Heart". But I might change my mind in a day or two!

i don't think the hooks are stronger on this one than on i disagree

that’s correct : I think the songwriting is better, and (separately) the style she is working in now places more pressure on the hooks to perform, but neither of those things necessarily translate into the hooks being better.

I’m not so much concerned with her needing to be hookier, I do think *some*thing is lost in just visceral intensity (beyond shock factor) which isn’t to say it’s not replaced by something equally valuable … I don’t consider this a fall off by any means, just kind of mourning a future that never was

lol i didnt know the backstory re her collaborator ... welp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlkdkQR2gUs

oh hell yeah

glorious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTEBn_gze0

poppy released a new song about her cat

i'm finally seeing her at the end of march

"eat" not placing in the 77 is an error from which this board will never recover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXbPSCHncJc

apparently going to be on a new EP, stagger, out in october

heavy poppy is the best poppy

new EP whips!!!

"FYB" is the only real heavy poppy song just FYI

it's good! better than flux

Always get excited and immediately disappointed when this thread gets revived because I think it’s a Poppy Family thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXE_NkbWDhw

tremendous cover of kittie's "spit"

kittie rules hell yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD9xotOWQSk

"spit" cover is my song of the year

for all those girls who speak contradictions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag3L1fBPo54

i want to like this a little more than i do, this industrial sound is a good fit for her but the song's just missing something?

curious what the album’s gonna be like (comes out in october)

the press release made it sound like it'll generally be along the lines of this & "church outfit" but some of it will have guitars on top of the industrial beats too

it also compares one track to 'mirwais-era madonna' which i have no idea how will fit with the rest of the stuff going on and cites burial, blawan, and a whole bunch of new wave as influences

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reMPqmtYtpU

record's getting not much of a reception but as usual i think it's great. the dnb drum track in this is so good

this feels like the electro record i was expecting kylie minogue to put out this year

the fake pop music in vox lux should've sounded like this

excited to hear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I6di1S0Mqw

"the attic" is the exact same vibe as this great batten girls track

weird album, it's pretty all over the place stylistically. some of it is great but a lot is just ok at best

highlights are "linger" (the burial impression here lol), "the attic" and "prove it"

I just made this my first Poppy album. I really don't like her voice tbh. Good musical ideas though - esp Church Outfit, Hard and Zig.

the ones you should actually listen to are i disagree and the eat ep

Loving 'Motorbike' although the video is disappointingly literal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev_vPbqUlZs