Terminator 6 aka the real Terminator 3 or something oh god when will it end

Omg. I enjoyed the fuck out of this.

It's imperfect. Not 100% sold on the nu-Sarah Connor.

Mackenzie Davis was great though. Arnold's cameo largely worked.

They did a nice butterfly effect storyline without getting too expositiony.

There was actual tension!

I mean...did it need to exist? No. But this was way better than I expected. Even if the first 20 minutes felt clunky.

They accidentally showed 8 minutes of Jesus is King first tho

I was very confused as to why there was gospel music

This was certainly a Terminator movie

I don't think it counts as a "cameo" when he's in half the darn movie!

the pre-show reel included a Terminator 2 trivia bit and had some bits that I'd known and forgotten

like the fact the Robert Patrick terminator scenes where he's taken the form of someone who is also in the scene? they used twins for several of those. including Linda Hamilton's twin!

So is this the entry that's supposed to finally get the franchise back on track? Or is that the one coming out a few years from now? I can never keep track of these things!

each entry in the series gets it back on track for a different alternative future iirc

Ed Furlong's, uh, cameo in appearance-only form is tragic in the plot but kind of funny as a viewer

Lol yeah

I am good with this being the last one.

But it won't be.

I've got to admit that one of the things that stood out is that they gave Arnold actual lines and he absolutely nailed it

Yeah i was pleasantly surprised

This did kinda feel like a Force Awakens

oof

As of November 1, 2019, Terminator: Dark Fate has grossed $10.6 million in the United States and Canada, and $12.6 million in other territories, for a worldwide total of $23.2 million.[5] It is estimated the film will need to gross around $470 million worldwide in order to break-even.[4]

wowwwwwwww. could this finally be the death knell for mega-budget remakes of 80s properties?

almost certainly not unfortch

What does that portend, if anything, for the Avatar sequels?

They will use existing footage from other movies

jim cameron has abandoned production in favour of living in a bathysphere in the marianas trench for the rest of his days

i'm hoping Avatar 4 turns out to just be the battle angel alita sequel, released under the name "Avatar 4"

Checking out the box office results for Dark Fate led me to this:
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl1477150209/?ref_=bo_hm_rs

It's a new film that will be released on 08 November 2019 called Mr. Toilet: The World's #2 Man. According to Wikipedia it's "a 2019 documentary film about Singaporean activist Jack Sim, who uses humour to publicize the issue of improving bathroom sanitation". Jack Sim was Asian of the Year in 2009 and 2011. Part of me wonders if he is famous in the United States, or if he's been on a chat show, or if there was a Youtube video about him. But global culture is pivoting Eastwards so perhaps his fame in Singapore is bleeding into the Western world. I'm out of touch.

New Terminator will probably ultimately make money via foreign sales.

The problem with this Terminator is it just seems like another one of the endless increasingly unloved post-T2 sequels despite the efforts to distance it from the other films. It has been almost 30(!) years since anyone was excited for one of these and the property has just been thoroughly diminished. Also the title of this makes it sound like a shitty video game.

I might catch a matinee, feeling a bit caush-op bc of Neanderthal’s positive review. But I think for the culture at large the second film was the end of the story, and it was a perfect somewhat uncertain ending. But nothing will ever be left alone if they think they can squeeze a bit more from the idea.

yeah i feel like most ppl i have talked to about Terminator have no idea 3-5 exist

friends who've seen this have been positive about it, basically echoing neanderthal. i'm kind of excited to see it now

Omar OTM. The well has been poisoned and any enthusiasm for this franchise has been killed off long ago. No combination of classic names is enough to shake the stink of the legitimately dreadful post T2 sequels. Total reboot or die situation at this point.

And that title really isn’t helping.

I have faith that this is actually decent, relatively, but I totally get why people aren’t lining up.

Part of me wonders if he is famous in the United States, or if he's been on a chat show, or if there was a Youtube video about him. But global culture is pivoting Eastwards so perhaps his fame in Singapore is bleeding into the Western world. I'm out of touch.

do you think that documentaries are only ever made about people who are famous in the USA

I was just reading the Deadline neo post mortem on this, and they drop that it "reportedly cost $185M (some even say it was $196M)." Which I think is supposed to be some sort of OMG! number. But then, in the exact same box office roundup, they casually drop that "The Irishman" "reportedly cost "between $160M-$200M," but they don't give it the same kind of scary portent, even though close to $200 million for a gangster movie is a lot more shocking than less than that for a sci-fi action movie sequel.

Wow that’s pretty crazy for The Irishman. Wonder what percentage was for the CGI work.

What was the nose budget

The Irishman is a Netflix deal so I’m not really sure how to measure it against a standard theatrical release.

Doesn't Netflix do that thing like Amazon does where they buy out the above-the-line talent's residuals in advance, which helps inflate budgets?

as far as reviews go, i feel like this is the only one i need

Saw #TerminatorDarkFate today with @ellouis. Been enjoying remembering it, wishing I could watch various things again, repeatedly. That kind of movie.

— William Gibson (@GreatDismal) November 2, 2019

the Deadline story may be taking it for granted that readers have been following all the inside-baseball stuff concerning Netflix and The Irishman. as with Roma last year, they want a Best Picture Oscar and more generally to be something people subscribe to because the brand is associated with High-Quality Original Programming, because their third-party content is thin and only going to get thinner as D+ and other services come online. the real value for them is having scorsese tell everyone in hollywood that the big studios won't even take his phone calls anymore because they're only interested in superheroes, but Netflix let him make the movie of his dreams, etc., etc., etc. if it wins them their Oscar that narrative will be everywhere.

if there's any softening of the $160 million blow (which they obviously never expected to make back), it's that there's no way they're spending another $160 million to promote the thing, which is what you'd assume for a Terminator type movie. like, way, way, way less than that. in the markets that it's playing, Scorsese's name and the running time will do that work for them, and then when it hits Netflix, it costs them nothing to push it, til the end of time.

of course there's certainly an argument that it's a dumb marketing strategy - - - Once Upon a Time In Hollywood doing $370 million worldwide does suggest that with the right campaign and big stars, a long-ass movie by a household-name director (or at least, dorm-room name director) can do blockbuster business in 2019. that's close to what Wolf of Wall Street did... so they seem weirdly cautious on that end of things. but maybe they were expecting it to do more like Silence numbers....

How much did Gangs of New York cost? Hugo?

$100m and $150-170m (if Wikipedia is to be trusted). but both were aeons ago in Hollywood time, and Hugo surely lost a fortune after marketing, with a worldwide gross of $185m. it's Silence that probably really scared Paramount, though.

as far as reviews go, i feel like this is the only one i need


🐦[Saw #TerminatorDarkFate🕸 today with @ellouis🕸. Been enjoying remembering it, wishing I could watch various things again, repeatedly. That kind of movie.
— William Gibson (@GreatDismal) November 2, 2019🕸]🐦

Saw this tonight. It wasn’t half-bad for what it was. The plot doesn’t waste any time getting started and is relatively focused and simple compared to the convoluted shenanigans of the last few installments...but still, by the end I still was kinda bored. The action descends into yet another indistinguishable, murky morass of bloodless green screenery.

What made the first two movies work so well on a cinematic level was James Cameron’s innate sense of physicality and rhythm, coupled with the merciless clang-clang of Brad Fiedel’s score. They just grab you on a primordial level that these sequels can’t even touch.

You can’t recapture that just by remixing motifs and lines from the originals in the right combination.

It was definitely better than the last movie though, that’s for sure

james cameron: "acab"

James Cameron, never one to mince words, on why he made the T-1000 in Terminator 2 look like an LAPD officer: pic.twitter.com/H5RkJCctCd

— Zack Stentz (@MuseZack) November 5, 2019

james cameron is good now

it's amazing how good james cameron's politics are and yet true lies exists

james cameron hire the wachowskis to shoot your next script challenge

being involved in james cameron's personal or professional life seems like it would be unbearable

I can't wholeheartedly recommend the show but there's a bit in Hulu's Future Man where they break into Cameron's house and it's an entertaining bit including weird shrines to all his movies and the house has its own siri-like voice

Latebloomer otm

It’s decent but nothing close to the greatness of the first 2 movies. Lots of exposition dialogue & ppl forming lifelong bonds after 2 lines of dialogue
but performances are all pretty great, esp Diego Luna who may actually BE a robot
He def gave a next-gen Robert Patrick-worthy performance imo.

But the action by the end was too long & murky and obligatory give statement of intention to villain before showdown & a no i wont let you do (x) crying scene

gabriel luna not diego
i keep doing that

this was like reasonably diverting for a couple hours, not as dreadful as i picture the last two being, and maybe feeling a little more substantial than T3 but not MUCH better. man the action in this was so hard for me to follow. maybe i'm an old person but it REALLY epitomized the "quick cuts, all closeups, no real sense of where things are and what direction things are moving" school of action. if they have to make these movies, can't they give them to justin lin or somebody?

the arnold stuff was dumb imo, dude has so much screen presence but everything was just jokey fanservice and inversion of expectations. the whole premise of his character made no sense and was just too goofy. reyes and davis barely felt like people.

and god what was this movie even trying to say about the border?