Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

you could certainly get a better teacher for that than James Franco

i agree with you about sex scenes shakey

Roz otm
Franco offering sex scene classes should never have gotten the green light any more than a class about alcohol temperance should be taught by like a Richard Burton or something.

idk i'm pretty sure it's possible to perform sex scenes comfortably

I would honestly think a course about performing sex scenes would be about learning how to do them comfortably? Most people know how to have sex.

i also assume we're all professional actors here and we all know what's involved in a sex scene

Most people know how to have sex.

don't think this is true either lol

i think people are also forgetting what Franco's public image was like less than a decade ago - he was Renaissance man, the dude juggling a busy acting career with pursuing multiple degrees, releasing poetry and essay collections etc. Hey *I* thought he was hot too. So it's not surprising that people enrolled in his classes would expect at least a basic level of professionalism.

huh. I would expect a "hot" actor to act like an asshole.

that's cool, they, reasonably, didn't

If you want to read about predatory acting workshops / directors, this is the doozy:

https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/profiles-theatre-theater-abuse-investigation/Content?oid=22415861

so the shakey view is "because franco was obviously a sleaze, you can't complain about what happens when you take a sex scene workshop with him"?

v interesting perspective

I just don't think "I signed up for a sex scene class and then the sex turned out to be really uncomfortable" is grounds for a lawsuit or the same thing as a producer raping an actress in a hotel room. It's gross and stupid but also really predictable.

the tendency to say "this isn't like Weinstein" reduces all forms of sexual assault to "Is Weinstein" and "Is Not Weinstein" when in fact its a wide spectrum of shitty behavior

Like, Weinstein is a level 10 creep and Aziz Ansari is a level 3 creep and the tiny percentage of people who actually think about any of this shit at all ever are gonna make up their own mind

I just don't think "I signed up for a sex scene class and then the sex turned out to be really uncomfortable" is grounds for a lawsuit or the same thing as a producer raping an actress in a hotel room. It's gross and stupid but also really predictable.

― Οὖτις, Thursday, October 31, 2019 9:58 AM (six minutes ago)

you know the difference between "sex" and "sex scenes" right

like Shakey I know you have a shtick but you're being dense

(but then I think the large majority of sex scenes in film are gratuitous and stupid and unnecessary)

― Οὖτις, Thursday, October 31, 2019 8:58 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is completely beside the point tbh and also I’m not sure it’s true esp when compared to other much more common types of scenes in films.

like when the boss of a big company has a corner office and is playing put put golf in it

https://i.imgflip.com/3ewkfm.jpg

irl lol

hahahaha

Whiney can I pay you to make memes out of more of my posts

Intimacy choreography is now becoming a standard professional practice, the idea being that sex scenes shouldn't be winged any more than a fight scene is.

Yeah, GOT hired one for the last couple seasons after they got a ton of shit for really messing up with a particular scene.

That was about an error in staging/direction, though. This shit is hard to do well!

omg Whiney

hahahaha nicely done

Like, Weinstein is a level 10 creep and Aziz Ansari is a level 3 creep and the tiny percentage of people who actually think about any of this shit at all ever are gonna make up their own mind

also yeah I agree w this

Some of this is out of our hands, as Aziz, and maybe Franco, are going to keep showing up on tv, whereas Spacey probably isn't

You have to really work hard to skip past the accusation that he removed a woman's vulva guard that was mentioned in multiple posts and the story you're calling bullshit to arrive at "the sex was uncomfortable, waaaaah don't be a snowflake"

I suspect he does not have to work that hard

give spacey 10 years he'll be back at the Oscars pumping a career rehab role. maybe he'll play the pope

careful now, the last person who accused spacey of an unwelcome pumping ended up dead

kevin shakey

wau

Too far

Also

he removed a woman's vulva guard

That’s horrific. I did not know this

Great, just great.

https://jezebel.com/bosses-at-vice-and-the-fader-ignored-sexual-misconduct-1839636779

I don't know about anything about the people running The Fader but it's unsurprising re: the cretins at Vice.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/unsafe-and-just-plain-dirty-women-accuse-vice-of-toxic-sexual-harassment-culture

And then...

Christian comedian John Crist had a Netflix special called "I Ain’t Prayin’ for That" set to debut on Thanksgiving, but five women came forward with sexual misconduct allegations against him this week, so now the release has been put on hold. https://t.co/MpmhATeqOI

— Megh Wright (@megh_wright) November 7, 2019

that would have made a great arc on CRASHING

that jezebel piece is absolutely fucking sickening

And today:

Our statement on the recent lawsuits involving G/O Media CEO Jim Spanfeller. pic.twitter.com/ZiuhXunUKS

— GMG Union (@gmgunion) November 8, 2019

Update re Fader

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/fader-vice-eric-sundermann-sexual-misconduct-1203398108/

Namely:

The sources said that publisher Andy Cohn and others at The Fader were aware of Sundermann’s alleged behavior before he was hired, and that Cohn had once behaved inappropriately at a 2011 company event. While a rep for the company told Variety Wednesday that Cohn was not under investigation, disputing the claim of an anonymous source quoted in a Billboard article on Sundermann’s firing, on Friday the company confirmed that he has been suspended.

the proprietor of a Toronto Yuk Yuks wrote an op-ed bragging about how well Louis CK did there recently, when said proprietor was brave enough to book him. One of the two women from the original, long-circulating jerk-off rumour has written in to the paper to respond:
https://www.cjnews.com/perspectives/opinions/counterpoint-i-didnt-consent-to-louis-c-k-masturbating-in-front-of-me

25 million dollar settlement and that's it for Weinstein, he's off the hook? Despicable.

this is the civil case. he has still to face a criminal trial regarding abuse charges involving over 20 women

although, as you know, it's not certain that he'll be convicted of any of these charges, many of them being historical and with the difficulty in securing convictions for these types of crimes