Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

I will be voting for Keir Starmer. If this parliament goes the full term (no chance) this will be the last UK general election I get to vote in.

Wouldn't want that dilemma of voting LD in a Tory seat where they're the likeliest gainer. Wouldn't judge anyone for doing so.

Labour if elected should change the expat franchise rules - 15 years FLIES by.

Especially because the labor election loss handwringing seems to be resulting in costing up with coal mining shitbags down here.

Just registered. I'll get a postal vote application form, which should keep it hassle-free. I do find it somewhat amusing that my Canadian citizenship affords me more democratic rights than my EU one in this instance.

the fucking wankers retweeting that John Lennon vid from '72 imploring people to register to vote are all dead to me.

John Lennon: #brexitInADitch

John Lennon would nailed on have Legitimate EU Concerns

Despite not living in the UK for 40 odd years. True.

Boris Johnson is on course to win a Commons majority unless remain voters work tactically to block a Tory victory and ensure an EU-backing leadership, according to research. As PA Media reports, the Conservatives would achieve a majority of 44 if no tactical voting took place but anti-Brexit voters could scupper this, according to a study by the Best for Britain campaign. If fewer than a third of remain voters (30%) used their vote tactically they could swing the election to deny the prime minister and to secure a remain majority of four. The research by the anti-Brexit campaign was based on seat-by-seat analysis of 46,000 people over September and October and was released this morning, PA reports.

Pinch of salt may be required.

Best for Britain is an apolitical campaign group *cough cough cough*

yeah let's tactically vote for the effective Remain rump of the tory party who haven't ruled out another coalition with them, that'll show them - is my controversial hottake!

is this led by donky

Remembering when Owen Smith’s 2016 leadership campaign was so bad that the people fighting ISIS stopped for a minute to tell him to get a grip, evergreen image pic.twitter.com/szHdoEcVNM

— Marcus Barnett (@marcusbarnett_) October 30, 2019

Tactical Voting website but it just electrocutes you if you try and use it. I'm looking for a one million dollar investment.

— JC (@jmsclee) October 30, 2019

when does the carrie symonds argument tape drop

xps to gyac: voted green 2015, labour 2017

Re: tactical voting – so my initial intuition was correct and I ultimately shouldn't vote at all because it makes no difference whether the Tories or Lib Dems win in my horrendously bougie constituency, where they happen to be neck-and-neck? (Labour didn't even manage 13% in 2017 and that's not about to change any time soon.)

No, vote Lib Dem, vote against the Tories at any and every opportunity.

personally, fuck a Lib Dem, but i say that from the luxury of a solid Labour constituency where I get the joy of voting for Blairite running dog *shudder* Diana Johnson, unless my gammonist ultra mates are correct and the Brexit Party stages an upset (NB the Brexit Party will not stage an upset)

on the other hand the Lib Dems are micrometres less evil - actually maybe not, put for the purposes of this argument - than the Tories and the order of dishing out a shoeing should always go Tories first so if you can bring yourself to drink enough to vote for a Lib Dem i guess the less actual blue Tory MPs the better kind of, it looks funnier come election night anyway

There's an anagrammatical thing going here, the Lib Dems are vile but the Tories are evil.

I have the greatest luxury of all, Jebediah Cromwell himself is my local MP.

I'd look at the Lib Dem candidate first and what they are saying on various issues. If they seem solid on those then vote LD, if it's Jo Swinson-type vote Lab.

Good to luck to Pom in performing his civic duties

No, vote Lib Dem, vote against the Tories at any and every opportunity.

jo swinson: “I’m going to be PM”

mate, you’re not even going to be an MP

I'd argue that the LibDems are just as awful as the tories and tactical voting for them is just effectively stats/polls driven fatalism that will never have any good outcome. But fucking ignore me Pom. I'm not being judgemental or dishing out advice - just my personal opinion on the matter - which ain't worth shit tbf!

I'd vote UKIP to get a Tory out.

These are the only seats I'd say it's worth voting Lib Dem in.

Cheadle
Cheltenham
Cornwall North
Devon North
Lewes
Richmond Park
St. Ives
Winchester

Never lived in a place with a Tory MP though.

Very good of you to caveat that vote for UKIP post there

That list is current Tory/independent seats only I'll stress.

So the Lib Dem candidate's voting record is quite slim as she wasn't around before 2017 but she claims to be anti-austerity and consistently voted for higher taxes on banks. Could be far worse, really.

jo swinson: “I’m going to be PM”

mate, you’re not even going to be an MP

another lib dem anagram

I read that the Tories fell from 58 London MPs to *11* in the space of 10 years ('87-'97). They're only back up to 21 now. (There are fewer constituencies in the capital than there were, mind).

Be nice to think we could pick off the likes of IDS this time round but I'm not sure there's going to be even that sort from swing from '17.

xps the lib dems normally just edge tories in bath

kinky

in london justine greening isn't standing again and there's some hope for iain duncan smith, theresa villiers, boris johnson

I'd argue that the LibDems are just as awful as the tories and tactical voting for them is just effectively stats/polls driven fatalism that will never have any good outcome. But fucking ignore me Pom. I'm not being judgemental or dishing out advice - just my personal opinion on the matter - which ain't worth shit tbf!

Never lived in a place with a Tory MP though.

I'm told Boris Johnson raised fact his own seat of Uxbridge is on internal CCHQ list of seats potentially at risk at Political Cabinet

.@oliver_wright spotted Tories spent £1,178 on Facebook this week targeting 200,000 Uxbridge voters with call to keep police station open

— Steven Swinford (@Steven_Swinford) October 30, 2019

yikes

Tory MPs laughing at Jeremy Corbyn’s bright green tie. “I know you’re all jealous,” he says.

Theresa May absolutely fuming on Tory backbenches. “It’s for Grenfell,” she hisses at colleagues.

You think they would know that. #GrenfellNeverAgain

— Pippa Crerar (@PippaCrerar) October 30, 2019

Wear a Fireman hat Jezza. Hose the cnuts down McD.

quite an achievement to make theresa fucking may look like the sensitive one on grenfell, good job you braying ghouls

I thought sociopaths were apt at feigning human emotions such as compassion and empathy when it suits their needs?

Theresa Villiers is my MP: 350 majority down from 12,000 five years ago. Come on!

If I never hear the word DITHER ever again...

https://youtu.be/VBQ5GKDbSdk be prepared for more nonsense like this

David Lindon Lammy PC MP FRSA, 81.6% of the vote - happy days!

are pom and I neighbours? I didn't think so but the position is much the same here in Oxford West & Abingdon. Hi!

I'm torn here: I guess I will vote LD v grudgingly because I felt bad last time the Tories got in and this is a bad time to allow even one more Tory MP. At least my LD MP seems a bit more of the admittedly schoolma'amy and NIMBYish Ashdown/Kennedy-era style than the current spivvy fracking enthusiasts, though she first stood in 2015 so maybe I'm deluded; but I liked that she campaigned to repeal the Vagrancy Act and has tweeted in support of Labour motions & MPs, which I imagine (without looking) would be beyond Swinson.

But Swinson has been really pissing me off and I am scared they'll prop up Boris in a hung parlt and wave through his crap ERG-renege-able deal in return for something meaningless. And if everyone who felt like me voted Labour here, could we nudge the stats so that it won't seem so pointless next time? Except post-coalition the LD vote collapsed and went a bit to Labour, a bit to the Greens, and a thumping majority to the Tories on not that many more votes than before, and that didn't feel like progress at all.

(I had reckoned it was a bit safer for the LDs now anyway, as it seems quite a Remainy seat, but there's a Green candidate this year and they stood down last time, to which the LDs may well have owed their victory, and we do have our share of golfy gammonists, so... I'm scared, basically, but GL UK)

Hi, neighbour! :)

Thanks for the rundown – quite helpful for a passing spacecadet such as myself.

Fair enough, Daniel, I guess it's one for the private moments of irrational, cathartic exasperation.

The Continent (which I would be part of, anyway), there's people and this result means more people will suffer and anyone whose reaction to that is lols is a cunt.

I don't think anyone on here is denying the real implications Daniel, it's not so much lols either. It's more that a lot of people are thinking "a big majority of the people voted for their own people to suffer."

I don't know how the "brexit election" narrative squares up with the bolsover result .

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 13 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Did it vote leave or not in 2016?

(will move to the new one in a bit)

sorry to be clear I should say the Dennis Skinner result

We're all gonna die.

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