Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

Where the fuck has the latest Green messaging been coming from? They've certainly lost me for this election, and I'd imagine their vote will crash across the country, which can only help Labour really

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The Liberal Democrats are “within a small swing of winning hundreds of seats”, its leader, Jo Swinson, has claimed

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well, i've already hit my limit on how much vox pops i can handle between now and the 12th of December

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― imago, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Gotta deliver posting at this crucial time, like I've never done before #sorryNotsorry

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Where the fuck has the latest Green messaging been coming from? They've certainly lost me for this election, and I'd imagine their vote will crash across the country, which can only help Labour really

Keep death-wishing I lived in a marginal and I don't mean a Swinson-brain marginal where the LD vote was in single figures in 2017.

Are we really going to have to look at this thread title for the next month and a half?

I'm already finding it a good mood-setter for the dismalness of the upcoming campaigns from all concerned

I can vote as a Commonwealth citizen but since I'm in a constituency that the Lib Dems narrowly snatched from the Tories in 2017 and I plan on bailing asap with no intention of ever returning, I'd rather just sit this one out and wish you all the best of luck.

Matt - I believe you have powers to change this title?

it won't take effect in bookmarks where it counts

I can vote as a Commonwealth citizen but since I'm in a constituency that the Lib Dems narrowly snatched from the Tories in 2017 and I plan on bailing asap with no intention of ever returning, I'd rather just sit this one out and wish you all the best of luck.

Pom, no one really minds a vote for LDs in that circumstance and as someone who has lived here for nearly three decades who nevertheless cannot vote, please vote.

I would be delighted to be able to vote for my MP, Keir Starmer.

That's fair, suzy (and gyac). Labour got less 15% in 2017 so it appears to be a lost cause 'round these parts.

I will be voting for Keir Starmer. If this parliament goes the full term (no chance) this will be the last UK general election I get to vote in.

Wouldn't want that dilemma of voting LD in a Tory seat where they're the likeliest gainer. Wouldn't judge anyone for doing so.

Labour if elected should change the expat franchise rules - 15 years FLIES by.

Especially because the labor election loss handwringing seems to be resulting in costing up with coal mining shitbags down here.

Just registered. I'll get a postal vote application form, which should keep it hassle-free. I do find it somewhat amusing that my Canadian citizenship affords me more democratic rights than my EU one in this instance.

the fucking wankers retweeting that John Lennon vid from '72 imploring people to register to vote are all dead to me.

John Lennon: #brexitInADitch

John Lennon would nailed on have Legitimate EU Concerns

Despite not living in the UK for 40 odd years. True.

Boris Johnson is on course to win a Commons majority unless remain voters work tactically to block a Tory victory and ensure an EU-backing leadership, according to research. As PA Media reports, the Conservatives would achieve a majority of 44 if no tactical voting took place but anti-Brexit voters could scupper this, according to a study by the Best for Britain campaign. If fewer than a third of remain voters (30%) used their vote tactically they could swing the election to deny the prime minister and to secure a remain majority of four. The research by the anti-Brexit campaign was based on seat-by-seat analysis of 46,000 people over September and October and was released this morning, PA reports.

Pinch of salt may be required.

Best for Britain is an apolitical campaign group *cough cough cough*

yeah let's tactically vote for the effective Remain rump of the tory party who haven't ruled out another coalition with them, that'll show them - is my controversial hottake!

is this led by donky

Remembering when Owen Smith’s 2016 leadership campaign was so bad that the people fighting ISIS stopped for a minute to tell him to get a grip, evergreen image pic.twitter.com/szHdoEcVNM

— Marcus Barnett (@marcusbarnett_) October 30, 2019

Tactical Voting website but it just electrocutes you if you try and use it. I'm looking for a one million dollar investment.

— JC (@jmsclee) October 30, 2019

when does the carrie symonds argument tape drop

xps to gyac: voted green 2015, labour 2017

Re: tactical voting – so my initial intuition was correct and I ultimately shouldn't vote at all because it makes no difference whether the Tories or Lib Dems win in my horrendously bougie constituency, where they happen to be neck-and-neck? (Labour didn't even manage 13% in 2017 and that's not about to change any time soon.)

No, vote Lib Dem, vote against the Tories at any and every opportunity.

personally, fuck a Lib Dem, but i say that from the luxury of a solid Labour constituency where I get the joy of voting for Blairite running dog *shudder* Diana Johnson, unless my gammonist ultra mates are correct and the Brexit Party stages an upset (NB the Brexit Party will not stage an upset)

on the other hand the Lib Dems are micrometres less evil - actually maybe not, put for the purposes of this argument - than the Tories and the order of dishing out a shoeing should always go Tories first so if you can bring yourself to drink enough to vote for a Lib Dem i guess the less actual blue Tory MPs the better kind of, it looks funnier come election night anyway

There's an anagrammatical thing going here, the Lib Dems are vile but the Tories are evil.

I have the greatest luxury of all, Jebediah Cromwell himself is my local MP.

I'd look at the Lib Dem candidate first and what they are saying on various issues. If they seem solid on those then vote LD, if it's Jo Swinson-type vote Lab.

Good to luck to Pom in performing his civic duties

No, vote Lib Dem, vote against the Tories at any and every opportunity.

jo swinson: “I’m going to be PM”

mate, you’re not even going to be an MP

I'd argue that the LibDems are just as awful as the tories and tactical voting for them is just effectively stats/polls driven fatalism that will never have any good outcome. But fucking ignore me Pom. I'm not being judgemental or dishing out advice - just my personal opinion on the matter - which ain't worth shit tbf!

I'd vote UKIP to get a Tory out.

These are the only seats I'd say it's worth voting Lib Dem in.

Cheadle
Cheltenham
Cornwall North
Devon North
Lewes
Richmond Park
St. Ives
Winchester

Never lived in a place with a Tory MP though.

Very good of you to caveat that vote for UKIP post there

That list is current Tory/independent seats only I'll stress.

So the Lib Dem candidate's voting record is quite slim as she wasn't around before 2017 but she claims to be anti-austerity and consistently voted for higher taxes on banks. Could be far worse, really.

jo swinson: “I’m going to be PM”

mate, you’re not even going to be an MP

another lib dem anagram

I read that the Tories fell from 58 London MPs to *11* in the space of 10 years ('87-'97). They're only back up to 21 now. (There are fewer constituencies in the capital than there were, mind).

Be nice to think we could pick off the likes of IDS this time round but I'm not sure there's going to be even that sort from swing from '17.

xps the lib dems normally just edge tories in bath

Sorry Daniel, but you have to expect some amount of blowback from the continent after being systematically demonized for so long.

This is footie team nonsense, there's not some amorphous The Continent (which I would be part of, anyway), there's people and this result means more people will suffer and anyone whose reaction to that is lols is a cunt.

It needs to be someone who can sell those policies better and come up with a proper strategy to neutralise the media, I'm not sure if that person exists within the current PLP though.

"I'm fundamentally neither a pessimist nor an optimist when it comes to so-called 'human nature'."

I get you down as pretty pessimistic lol. But it's not so much optimism. I don't see last night's result as a rejection of socialism. Forms of it gave been voted for.

It's a nice way to let off some steam fwiw. To wit: since it's going to become a Singapore-style tax haven that will hurt the rest of Europe, fuck the UK.

That kind of thing.

2xp

I get you down as pretty pessimistic lol.

I can see why you'd think that, but I'm certainly not for giving up the fight or jettisoning politics altogether. On the contrary.

People liked the manifesto in 2017. The media strategy didn't work.

The problem this time around really came down to Brexit.

It needs to be someone who can sell those policies better and come up with a proper strategy to neutralise the media, I'm not sure if that person exists within the current PLP though.

Nine times out of ten that sort of "letting off steam" comes from ppl who will be negatively affected in only the most abstract of ways, and as with the same sort of ppl tittering "lol dumb yanks, they deserve their Trump" or "haha those fucking russians, of course they love Putin" I find it callous and contemptible. There's plenty of worthy targets to take aim at, reducing things to some abstract "Britain" w/o thinking of the fact that there's actual lives that are going to be affected is, I dare say, a very brexit way of thinking.

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I mean neutralise as in "it's going to happen anyway, how do we make sure we limit the damage as much as possible?" That's reasonably uncontroversial, surely?

There's very little doubt in my mind that media coverage over a number of years affected the result, voters looked at the Labour Party and thought 'that looks like a shambles'. The fact that the Tory Party was also as much of a mess registered less because it was covered less.

A first (exasperated) reaction isn't a position, though.

I don't know how the "brexit election" narrative squares up with the bolsover result .

Is there any way that this will not be a 5 year term?

Yes. Once they've repealed the FTPA and gerrymandered the constituencies and introduced voter suppression, they can call an election whenever it most suits them.

NEW THREAD SO LOCK THIS ONE AND GO TO THAT ONE:
bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

do we need a new thread yet?

Fair enough, Daniel, I guess it's one for the private moments of irrational, cathartic exasperation.

The Continent (which I would be part of, anyway), there's people and this result means more people will suffer and anyone whose reaction to that is lols is a cunt.

I don't think anyone on here is denying the real implications Daniel, it's not so much lols either. It's more that a lot of people are thinking "a big majority of the people voted for their own people to suffer."

I don't know how the "brexit election" narrative squares up with the bolsover result .

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 13 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Did it vote leave or not in 2016?

(will move to the new one in a bit)

sorry to be clear I should say the Dennis Skinner result

We're all gonna die.

lock thread