Ne'er get thee stitched til Booris be ditched: UK General Election 2019

No Lenin hat, no credibility

Some awful layout work there

london engulfed by the sea then smashed by the moon, reindeer noses all red, everything under heaven utter chaos, situation excellent

the fact that they've already got the fucking poppy on the front page is beyond parody.

already got the fucking poppy on the front page

Correct me if I'm wrong but the fucking poppy is displayed all year around nowadays no? Saw it on counters of "trendy" shops a month ago. That shit will never go away.

I find that front page anti-semitic

Bored with the election already tbh.

haha

seems like a bit of a strategic mistake letting parliament vote YES to your deal and then pulling it for an election where you say parliament is BLOCKING brexit

despite all the stage management, the line is sounding paper thin on today rn

despite all my stage i am still paper thin on the page

McDonnell on good form already. Turning on Sky Breakfast News this morning, the strapline: Brexit Election >:(

🎶Rip it up and start again🎶

Corbyn looks great in that Mail front page

Where the fuck has the latest Green messaging been coming from? They've certainly lost me for this election, and I'd imagine their vote will crash across the country, which can only help Labour really

cut to alphie and calz looking smug

The Liberal Democrats are “within a small swing of winning hundreds of seats”, its leader, Jo Swinson, has claimed

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well, i've already hit my limit on how much vox pops i can handle between now and the 12th of December

cut to alphie and calz looking smug

― imago, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Gotta deliver posting at this crucial time, like I've never done before #sorryNotsorry

cut to alphie and calz looking smug

Where the fuck has the latest Green messaging been coming from? They've certainly lost me for this election, and I'd imagine their vote will crash across the country, which can only help Labour really

Keep death-wishing I lived in a marginal and I don't mean a Swinson-brain marginal where the LD vote was in single figures in 2017.

Are we really going to have to look at this thread title for the next month and a half?

I'm already finding it a good mood-setter for the dismalness of the upcoming campaigns from all concerned

I can vote as a Commonwealth citizen but since I'm in a constituency that the Lib Dems narrowly snatched from the Tories in 2017 and I plan on bailing asap with no intention of ever returning, I'd rather just sit this one out and wish you all the best of luck.

Matt - I believe you have powers to change this title?

it won't take effect in bookmarks where it counts

I can vote as a Commonwealth citizen but since I'm in a constituency that the Lib Dems narrowly snatched from the Tories in 2017 and I plan on bailing asap with no intention of ever returning, I'd rather just sit this one out and wish you all the best of luck.

Pom, no one really minds a vote for LDs in that circumstance and as someone who has lived here for nearly three decades who nevertheless cannot vote, please vote.

I would be delighted to be able to vote for my MP, Keir Starmer.

That's fair, suzy (and gyac). Labour got less 15% in 2017 so it appears to be a lost cause 'round these parts.

I will be voting for Keir Starmer. If this parliament goes the full term (no chance) this will be the last UK general election I get to vote in.

Wouldn't want that dilemma of voting LD in a Tory seat where they're the likeliest gainer. Wouldn't judge anyone for doing so.

Labour if elected should change the expat franchise rules - 15 years FLIES by.

Especially because the labor election loss handwringing seems to be resulting in costing up with coal mining shitbags down here.

Just registered. I'll get a postal vote application form, which should keep it hassle-free. I do find it somewhat amusing that my Canadian citizenship affords me more democratic rights than my EU one in this instance.

the fucking wankers retweeting that John Lennon vid from '72 imploring people to register to vote are all dead to me.

John Lennon: #brexitInADitch

John Lennon would nailed on have Legitimate EU Concerns

Despite not living in the UK for 40 odd years. True.

Boris Johnson is on course to win a Commons majority unless remain voters work tactically to block a Tory victory and ensure an EU-backing leadership, according to research. As PA Media reports, the Conservatives would achieve a majority of 44 if no tactical voting took place but anti-Brexit voters could scupper this, according to a study by the Best for Britain campaign. If fewer than a third of remain voters (30%) used their vote tactically they could swing the election to deny the prime minister and to secure a remain majority of four. The research by the anti-Brexit campaign was based on seat-by-seat analysis of 46,000 people over September and October and was released this morning, PA reports.

Pinch of salt may be required.

Best for Britain is an apolitical campaign group *cough cough cough*

yeah let's tactically vote for the effective Remain rump of the tory party who haven't ruled out another coalition with them, that'll show them - is my controversial hottake!

is this led by donky

Remembering when Owen Smith’s 2016 leadership campaign was so bad that the people fighting ISIS stopped for a minute to tell him to get a grip, evergreen image pic.twitter.com/szHdoEcVNM

— Marcus Barnett (@marcusbarnett_) October 30, 2019

Tactical Voting website but it just electrocutes you if you try and use it. I'm looking for a one million dollar investment.

— JC (@jmsclee) October 30, 2019

when does the carrie symonds argument tape drop

xps to gyac: voted green 2015, labour 2017

Re: tactical voting – so my initial intuition was correct and I ultimately shouldn't vote at all because it makes no difference whether the Tories or Lib Dems win in my horrendously bougie constituency, where they happen to be neck-and-neck? (Labour didn't even manage 13% in 2017 and that's not about to change any time soon.)

No, vote Lib Dem, vote against the Tories at any and every opportunity.

personally, fuck a Lib Dem, but i say that from the luxury of a solid Labour constituency where I get the joy of voting for Blairite running dog *shudder* Diana Johnson, unless my gammonist ultra mates are correct and the Brexit Party stages an upset (NB the Brexit Party will not stage an upset)

on the other hand the Lib Dems are micrometres less evil - actually maybe not, put for the purposes of this argument - than the Tories and the order of dishing out a shoeing should always go Tories first so if you can bring yourself to drink enough to vote for a Lib Dem i guess the less actual blue Tory MPs the better kind of, it looks funnier come election night anyway

There's an anagrammatical thing going here, the Lib Dems are vile but the Tories are evil.

I have the greatest luxury of all, Jebediah Cromwell himself is my local MP.

I'd look at the Lib Dem candidate first and what they are saying on various issues. If they seem solid on those then vote LD, if it's Jo Swinson-type vote Lab.

See you "I'm moving to Scotland" lot? I welcome anyone anywhere they want to be, but your patter's rotten.

Here's a thread to make you feel even more shite about the election. There's gey little hope in our result either.

— Harry Josephine (@HarryJosieGiles) December 13, 2019

pom otm and I don't know why I get up in the morning tbh

Can't really blame them tbh.

Except to say that thousands and thousands of vulnerable people will suffer as a result of this, including a lot of EU nationals who, like myself, have put down enough roots here that simply leaving isn't an option and, unlike myself, aren't privileged enough to be sheltered from the worst of it.

I mean I know you know this pom but really today my tolerance for that kind of flippancy is at an all time low.

What does 'double down' mean for you - a second Twitter account?

people you don't know and don't care to understand

Cuts both ways, you know.

I'm fundamentally neither a pessimist nor an optimist when it comes to so-called 'human nature'. You seem to be more of the latter, and that's ok.

Sorry Daniel, but you have to expect some amount of blowback from the continent after being systematically demonized for so long.

And yeah, agree with pom that significant portions of the British populace have been brainwashed into thinking that better things aren't possible and spite towards the Other is the only benefit they will ever get. Agree with xyzz that we need to continue proposing an alternative nonetheless. #hegel

The age breakdown of voters really gives the best indication of how 2024 might be. Though landscape in 2024 is of course likely to be substantially different

bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

Lol you know what it means Andrew - permanently left Labour that offers the kind of things people still think are good. For a start.

That list of things people still think are good in full:

Racism
Discrimination
Inequality
Benefit cuts
NHS up for sale

better things aren't possible and spite towards the Other is the only benefit they will ever get

It's not just that, though. It's that what we believe are 'better things' aren't better at all according to their model. That spite is precisely what they cherish and nurse: it's their primary motivator – lest we fall back on a Catholic-style 'sin is separation from God' ideology, which I don't buy at all. Awfulness and selfishness and violence are their own reward for some people, and this is part of who we are as a species.

Precisely.

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Sorry Daniel, but you have to expect some amount of blowback from the continent after being systematically demonized for so long.

This is footie team nonsense, there's not some amorphous The Continent (which I would be part of, anyway), there's people and this result means more people will suffer and anyone whose reaction to that is lols is a cunt.

It needs to be someone who can sell those policies better and come up with a proper strategy to neutralise the media, I'm not sure if that person exists within the current PLP though.

"I'm fundamentally neither a pessimist nor an optimist when it comes to so-called 'human nature'."

I get you down as pretty pessimistic lol. But it's not so much optimism. I don't see last night's result as a rejection of socialism. Forms of it gave been voted for.

It's a nice way to let off some steam fwiw. To wit: since it's going to become a Singapore-style tax haven that will hurt the rest of Europe, fuck the UK.

That kind of thing.

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I get you down as pretty pessimistic lol.

I can see why you'd think that, but I'm certainly not for giving up the fight or jettisoning politics altogether. On the contrary.

People liked the manifesto in 2017. The media strategy didn't work.

The problem this time around really came down to Brexit.

It needs to be someone who can sell those policies better and come up with a proper strategy to neutralise the media, I'm not sure if that person exists within the current PLP though.

Nine times out of ten that sort of "letting off steam" comes from ppl who will be negatively affected in only the most abstract of ways, and as with the same sort of ppl tittering "lol dumb yanks, they deserve their Trump" or "haha those fucking russians, of course they love Putin" I find it callous and contemptible. There's plenty of worthy targets to take aim at, reducing things to some abstract "Britain" w/o thinking of the fact that there's actual lives that are going to be affected is, I dare say, a very brexit way of thinking.

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I mean neutralise as in "it's going to happen anyway, how do we make sure we limit the damage as much as possible?" That's reasonably uncontroversial, surely?

There's very little doubt in my mind that media coverage over a number of years affected the result, voters looked at the Labour Party and thought 'that looks like a shambles'. The fact that the Tory Party was also as much of a mess registered less because it was covered less.

A first (exasperated) reaction isn't a position, though.

I don't know how the "brexit election" narrative squares up with the bolsover result .

Is there any way that this will not be a 5 year term?

Yes. Once they've repealed the FTPA and gerrymandered the constituencies and introduced voter suppression, they can call an election whenever it most suits them.

NEW THREAD SO LOCK THIS ONE AND GO TO THAT ONE:
bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

do we need a new thread yet?

Fair enough, Daniel, I guess it's one for the private moments of irrational, cathartic exasperation.

The Continent (which I would be part of, anyway), there's people and this result means more people will suffer and anyone whose reaction to that is lols is a cunt.

I don't think anyone on here is denying the real implications Daniel, it's not so much lols either. It's more that a lot of people are thinking "a big majority of the people voted for their own people to suffer."

I don't know how the "brexit election" narrative squares up with the bolsover result .

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 13 December 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Did it vote leave or not in 2016?

(will move to the new one in a bit)

sorry to be clear I should say the Dennis Skinner result

We're all gonna die.

lock thread