Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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aa gill spoke to me when I worked in a call centre for a credit card company, sorry to report that he was basically polite and respectful so not really a good anecdote tbh

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 28 October 2019 12:20 (four years ago) link

aa gill and amber rudd are such distinct types of cunt that its very strange to picture their marriage. hard to imagine it wasn't always snowing though.

plax (ico), Monday, 28 October 2019 12:45 (four years ago) link

When he left her for someone young enough to be his daughter naturally he had to write some gloating articles about what is like to sad odb.

calzino, Monday, 28 October 2019 12:56 (four years ago) link

I used to hate read him when I didn't even think about hate reading as a concept. My fave one was the umbrage taken when a girl in the supermarket told him off for calling his
daughter after a brand of margarine

calzino, Monday, 28 October 2019 13:09 (four years ago) link

i can't believe it's not bertha gill

mark s, Monday, 28 October 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link

theguardian.com is basically one big hate read for me. it is my most shameful compulsive habit because I get hooked on their live feeds of news stories and the drip drip drip of information and the delusion that details are building to something climactic and that this will be the decisive moment or the next after the next refresh. I guess it has always been known for its terrible proofreading and factual inaccuracies but the commitment to providing a barrage of info directly into the gaping mouthholes of news consumers has surely worsened standards in this regard. sentences trail off, articles provide background information that includes details they have already retracted separately in another article. frequently I get confused because by misreporting of something that I already know to be untrue and then have to double-check. Articles that report on research findings frequently report conclusions that the authors do not and could not draw from their data. I don't think the intention is to mislead but although I cant think of specific examples there have been times where I have seen pieces I found pretty lax or even irresponsible in this regard. But they have groomed me by always being there with an avalanche of comment bits, news articles fragmented into five or six separate articles. linked in the side bar. link link link. maybe the worst things are the 'funny' comment bits where people just use hyperbolic extra adjectives like marina carr or the guy from peep show. sometimes I read them and am amazed. i once read one about how *everyone* knew what a twat JRM was all the way back at Eton.

plax (ico), Monday, 28 October 2019 13:23 (four years ago) link

Finally, we know who’s behind the Comment is Weird tumblr...

gyac, Monday, 28 October 2019 13:26 (four years ago) link

yeah we talked of little else in the quad

srsly fuck every last one of these people

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Monday, 28 October 2019 13:26 (four years ago) link

needs to be two quoted sources in that article, one an office temp "in his twenties" and one a spokeswoman for something nobody has ever heard off, clearly contacted through mumsnet.

plax (ico), Monday, 28 October 2019 13:34 (four years ago) link

on the plus side i’ve never known as much about hyperlocal Australian goings-on as i have since reading the Guardian regularly

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 28 October 2019 13:50 (four years ago) link

TBF they don't have that great local coverage, there's only about 5 people working at guardian Aus so they can't cover every 'Stand up paddle boarder eaten by crocodile' story, only the really important ones.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 28 October 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link

I did not know that A A Gill was married to Amber Rudd.

How bonkers.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 10:09 (four years ago) link

"hell is other people" never seemed more a truism!

calzino, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 10:16 (four years ago) link

Amelia Gentleman is married to Jo Johnson, in other surprising-but-not-surprising news

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 10:25 (four years ago) link

Surprised to see the coming resettlement of Little Bay Islands' 54 people as the top viewed story "across the Guardian". Are these rankings localized?

maffew12, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link

It's the second most viewed story for me, after the Brexit live blog

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link

I did not know that A A Gill was married to Amber Rudd.

How bonkers.


Wait til you hear about Eric Joyce and India Knight!

gyac, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link

Now this is the kind of thing a newspaper is for, you wouldn't see this in the Mail:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/oct/29/jacob-rees-mogg-my-early-career-as-an-avant-garde-film-star

Cornelius Fondue (Matt #2), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link

I mean

it's interesting

just disappointed that they were given time with jrm and didn't use it to deck him

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link

I was at Labour's official campaign launch yesterday.

JC was inspirational.

The Guardian immediately reported it as: Doubts about JC's future.

the pinefox, Friday, 1 November 2019 11:53 (four years ago) link

tbf I don't think him being inspirational and there being doubts abt JC's future aren't mutually exclusive

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 1 November 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link

There's an (I assume) unintended extra negative in there but otm.

pomenitul, Friday, 1 November 2019 12:21 (four years ago) link

Aye, too much negatives as it is.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 1 November 2019 12:26 (four years ago) link

They could have reported that he was inspirational.

No one in the thousand-plus audience heard JC, or saw the whole shadow cabinet on stage, and thought: I have doubts about JC's future.

It was a media idea, inserted by the media, which the media then reported.

the pinefox, Friday, 1 November 2019 13:19 (four years ago) link

They might as well have asked a question about anything completely unrelated to JC's speech -- then reported this as the story.

JC's speech said many things - notably about policy. Might be an idea to report on that, rather than things he didn't say and didn't prompt anyone to think about, except cynical media people who come with their own agendas and presumably have contempt for 99% of the people in the room.

the pinefox, Friday, 1 November 2019 13:20 (four years ago) link

if they report on policy though people might start liking the direction in which corbyn wants to take the country, which would be an unconscionable dereliction of duty on the part of the uk press

non-euclidean lenin (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 1 November 2019 13:30 (four years ago) link

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— Peter (@pickyouredge) November 1, 2019

gyac, Friday, 1 November 2019 19:45 (four years ago) link

Remember when she won a prize?

I am not Jewish though maybe I am? Mother was adopted. But I am enough of an "asocial" as they were known then to know I would have been made to turn left in the camps. That is all the knowledge I need . This does not make me a Tory just someone who has read some history

— suzanne moore (@suzanne_moore) October 30, 2019

gyac, Saturday, 2 November 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link

you alright Suze?

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 November 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link

*makes drinky motion*

coup de twat (suzy), Saturday, 2 November 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link

oh i know what drunk posting looks like :D

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 November 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link

XD XD XD

coup de twat (suzy), Saturday, 2 November 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link

Followed by a, b and 20 others you follow

anvil, Saturday, 2 November 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link

Looks like we found out what drunk following looks like as well

anvil, Saturday, 2 November 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link

I think I followed her a few years ago, but I'm not now so must have unfollowed at some point. I don't really use Twitter much though

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 2 November 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link

Reading this article about abuse towards female MPs - which doesn’t mention Diane Abbott once - and almost choked at this


Last week’s warning from the archbishop of Canterbury, about “inflammatory language” in politics, has yet to prompt any constructive response from the two second-raters apparently determined to keep the forthcoming leaders’ debate all-male. Maybe Barack Obama’s criticism of polarising language will be more effective?


I mean, whomst among us can see an obvious and glaring issue with this

Turning to the judgmental language of indignant wokeness, mentioned by Obama, some of Jeremy Corbyn’s most valued supporters have been keen deployers, when narked, of “terf” (trans-exclusionary radical feminist) and the antisemitic “Zio”.

gyac, Sunday, 3 November 2019 18:53 (four years ago) link

All those years writing for the Mail on Sunday weren’t in vain, eh?

coup de twat (suzy), Sunday, 3 November 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link

these poor people, labelled terfs just because they want trans people to kill themselves

imago, Sunday, 3 November 2019 19:16 (four years ago) link

The complaint about the leaders debate being all-male might have some traction if the excluded leader wasn't Jo Swindon and she wasn't transparently playing on it for all its worth.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Sunday, 3 November 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link

The mention of Obama is a bit eeeurgh, like you know what this woman would have said about him if he’d actually spoken up for himself more.

gyac, Sunday, 3 November 2019 19:41 (four years ago) link

Found this take on the JRM news story a bit odd:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/05/too-late-rees-mogg-faces-furious-backlash-over-grenfell-apology-stormzy

djh, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 21:18 (four years ago) link

It's not actually The Guardian, and she may be fantastic, but I became irrationally angry after reading the first paragraph or so of this story about a budding playwright:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50239981

"Phoebe Eclair-Powell writes plays fuelled by her outrage at shocking stories she spots in newspapers. She has now won Europe's biggest playwriting prize - and says she has learned a lot by writing for Hollyoaks and from her mum Jenny Eclair."

I wonder how she got her big break. Also, I learn that she is working on several other TV shows, "including an adaptation of Joe Sugg's graphic novel Username: Evie..."

Has Joe Sugg really written a graphic novel? Again, this isn't The Guardian yet, but there's bound to be a certain amount of cross-pollination.

Ashley Pomeroy, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:15 (four years ago) link

Phoebe Hyphenated-Name meme alert.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:19 (four years ago) link

I did not previously know who Joe Sugg is but just googled and although his name is the sole author on the cover, it was written by Matt Whyman, draw by Amrit Birdi, coloured by Joaquin Pereyra, and lettered by Mindy Lopkin, who are credited inside as The Sugg Squad.

I first thought up the storyline and all the characters. At the beginning they were all named after colours so I think Evie was originally named Blue, Jaspar was Green, Mallory was Red and I think Unity’s always been Unity. I made the storyline first and then worked with Matt, the writer we had to shape it up, to make it into a proper story. My initial plot for the book was so long, so we had to get a professional in to tighten it up and make sure it had a start, middle and end. So, we did that and I fiddled with the characters a bit more and gave them names, which I did with my viewers by putting an online poll out and they chose the name ‘Evie’,

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:23 (four years ago) link

joe sugg is the klf and i claim my £5

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:41 (four years ago) link

Our Hannah is v into Joe Sugg, she had a big blogger phase a few years back and I think Zoella was her gateway drug. She tells me the boy can sing, he was in Waitress in the west end earlier in the year but I dunno, I hate stunt casting and I kinda hate bloggers, the evil of banality.

Only Blob Can Judge Me (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:46 (four years ago) link

Sorry stupid kindle spellchecked vloggers and I didn't notice

Only Blob Can Judge Me (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 23:47 (four years ago) link

accessing it on two devices and three browsers so far today every page loads somewhere near the middle or bottom so i have to scroll up.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 18:53 (four years ago) link


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