Search and Destroy : New Order

Yeah, I'd read that the film poster in their rehearsal space gave New Order quite a few song titles, including Thieves Like Us:

"The title (= Vanishing Point) is another culled from that faded film poster in their old rehearsal room, which provided 'In a Lonely Place' and 'Thieves Like Us'."

https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/aug/06/new-order-10-of-the-best

According to Bernard Sumner: "We did a concert in Berlin with Joy Division in this old cinema and in the dressing room there was this old, old film poster on the wall. And we stole it, and took it back to our rehearsal room and it listed every film that was going to be on for, like, the next five years at this German cinema. And every time we wanted a title, we'd look at this film poster and pick two or three titles. Like 'The Eternal' came from a film called The Eternal Flame." (Chris Ott, Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures)

That's the kind of thing that someone with enough time could get to the bottom of. In 1980 Joy Division played at Kant Kino, Berlin, so the poster was probably from there. If the internet had existed in 1980 someone could have used that information to predict future New Order song titles. It's probably not as useful now.

There is an alternative world where New Order's second album was called She's 19 and Ready, containing the classic singles "The Maddest Car in the World" and "Housewives on the Job".

By the way the Kant Kino is still going.

Komakino was probably named after the Kant Kino. The concert was a disaster as the room was only half full. The audience couldn't hear Ian sing. I like the following "dialogue":

"When a spectator shouted ,lauter, lauter‘ (louder, louder), Bernard Sumner replied: ,Speak fucking English you German bastard‘."

Dunno if this has been posted before, but... well if so, enjoy it again!

"It was supposed to be @neworder but they apparently had a row about which song to do so only @peterhook turned up - bass Peter Hook all other parts played on @Apple MAC"

https://youtu.be/HaW3GVaAzs8

when this song appeared as snippets between the video clips on the Substance VHS, I connected it to my tape deck and used the pause button to splice them into one song.

Five-night residency in Miami this week. I go tomorrow!

Yeah, I recorded that Peter Hook track on vhs from "The other side of midnight" - apparently they stopped work on it because Tony Wilson liked it.

Bernard Sumner sounds so fucking awful live now, I can't bring myself to see them again. There's a good digitally sourced version of a long version of The Happy One that circulated a while back. I think Hooky tried to get Revenge to flesh out the track and they were set to perform on the tv show, but Rob Gretton told Hooky he couldn't have Revenge do it, so PH did it himself.

yeah, iirc the Hook NO book has Revenge even turning up to the studio on the day, before Gretton stops it on behalf of the others. and Hook being infuriated-but-professional so going on solo and looking like an idiot

here he is recapturing the magic a year ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdH_I-rNoq4

Such good looking chaps. Hoping to see a lot of this material released in the forthcoming PCL definite box set

I never knew this happened, weird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg_i-cu95y0

Oh wow! Donald Johnson nails it. I don’t recognise some of the players, any idea?

I *think* it is New Order and ACR on stage.

maybe some Stockholm Monsters too? 52nd St? I hand brunch with Donald Johnson and Martin Moscrop once.

Factory All Stars Performance

The Tube - Live From Manchester Hacienda - 26th January 1984 including members of New Order, Quando Quango, The Wake, ACR, 52nd Street, etc) doing 'Cool As Ice', 'Shack Up', 'Confusion', and 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'."

Yeah, Madonna was on earlier promoting her third single, Holiday

Thanks for linking the longer video, visiting. That performance of Confusion is amazing!

Oh, shit, here's a performance of "Ceremony" where every member takes a turn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4NVN_uW-pc

Takes a turn singing, that is. (Back when they were a trio.)

There's the early Ceremony demo, I think Western Works? w/ Stephan on vocals...he was never gonna get the part. But I always thought Hooky's vocals on Movement were good.

still awed at how great this song is now that I've seen Barney's "making it up in the dorm room" guitar part

Merrill Aldichieri, apparently, has a ton of rare footage from Hurrah's concerts of the era and won't let any of it out into the wider world for less than top dollar, loads of ppl are kinda mad at him/her.

Bernard Sumner caught it.

“I had a little bit of a temperature, but not much. I had it for four days, then it went away for four days, and then it came back for four days. When it came back, it was more severe, but still not too bad. I just felt extreme fatigue, like a really bad hangover. Then it went away, and I’m okay.

“But I’ve heard horror stories over here about it. A couple people who know people who’ve died from it. I’m very lucky. We got a real serious second wave here. But it seems like Russian roulette. Like, you can get light symptoms, like me, or it can kill you. It’s crazy.”

I just felt extreme fatigue, like a really bad hangover

did he get the feeling he was in motion? a sudden sense of liberty?

Transmissions, a weekly podcast series telling the story of Joy Division and New Order, is currently airing, narrated by Maxine Peake and set to feature guest stars including Bono, Liam Gallagher and Damon Albarn.

no thank you

The examination of the story of JD/NO is approaching Beatles-esque levels of saturation, how much more context/interest can you extract from a bunch of truculent musicians? Most of whom have already written books already.

I was irritated this thing existed too, but it’s been enjoyable.

It's worth it for the Tony Wilson and Peter Saville clips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMIlIIvWZyU

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOoyPT6RoF4

So I bought the Power Corruption and Lies box set and it comes with this goofy documentary from 1984 where Tony Wilson is naked in his bath pontificating with a clothed Gillian Gilbert also soaking in the tub. A couple times you get a glimpse of Little Tony, so there’s that off my bucket list.

omgwtf

i must see this.

for. . . reasons.

I think it's this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPTa5HC2fTo

Who are the women in the gym talking with Gillian?

I think the woman with short cropped hair talking with Gillian is Liz Naylor, editor of City Fun zine.

I think the woman with short cropped hair talking with Gillian is Liz Naylor, editor of City Fun zine.

Ah, OK, so maybe the woman with the spiky hair is Cath Carroll then, seeing as she was both a member of the City Fun team and an artist on the Factory roster.

It's been eons since I just put on "Substance." I've grown so inured to nu-New Order that I'd totally forgotten what a pleasure their innocently rinky-dink early years really are.

stings cousin ruins everything he sings on and is why i liked him in joy division just using his twanger!

BTW there is an Easter egg on DVD 2 of the PCL box set. If you watch to the end of the 1983 Hacienda gig immediately after the entirety of “Video 586” plays with the original primitive computer graphics.

Transmissions, a weekly podcast series telling the story of Joy Division and New Order, is currently airing, narrated by Maxine Peake and set to feature guest stars including Bono, Liam Gallagher and Damon Albarn.

She's an actress who is usually generally pretty good in anything she's in but she really lays it on thick in this series and comes close to ruining it

I think her first big part was in Dinnerladies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEEmABjNkN8

To be fair, some of it is out of her control because the script she's reading is over the top:
"Two of the most influential bands. In. Music. History."

I wonder how much the band members had to do with that -- steering the project towards an exercise in myth building (like that Queen biopic from 2018)

The narrator of NewOrderStory was hilariously, consciously over the top, iirc. That was (looks it up) stage actress Jenny Seagrove.

Think I"m going to buy the 2nd volume of Stephen's memoirs this eve, looking forward to nerdy Oberheim stories.

Don't listen to Chris Coco or Mary Anne Hobbes if Maxine Peake bothers you. They're both much worse imo.