PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

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WTF?

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 25 October 2019 10:06 (four years ago) link

My friend’s elderly Hindu Indian parents live in Lincoln and voted Brexit for pretty much those reasons (also Brexit was the position of most people in their friendship group).

coup de twat (suzy), Friday, 25 October 2019 10:06 (four years ago) link

From January 2016:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/01/british-asians-views-eu-referendum-figures-brexit

“At the moment I am nowhere. I have been pushed away by the leave campaign because of the issue around migration and racism,” he says.

But spend more than five minutes with the Labour MP and it is clear he still has more affinity with Brexit. He tells horror stories of eastern European immigrants murdering Pakistani families and Asian women having their gold bangles torn from their arms by Romanian gangs.

Mahmood says he represents those people on the ground who will feel the direct impact of increased European migration.

He is fearful of the influx of poor immigrants into “ghettoised” communities that he says are already struggling with a lack of housing and resources. He says: “We don’t want an open house. We don’t do criminal checks on them. We can’t stop certain types of people coming in.”

He also claims eastern Europeans exploit the UK markets and send “benefit monies” back home to their large families.

pomenitul, Friday, 25 October 2019 10:09 (four years ago) link

See also: https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/

Figure 7 is quite interesting in this regard.

pomenitul, Friday, 25 October 2019 10:13 (four years ago) link

James Corden and David Miliband. Delightful.

/In many areas in the North support for Brexit is very high exactly from children of immigrants!/

You, of course, have proof of this - Morrissey doesn't count. There is another factor, which is the idea that reducing EU immigration allows more immigration from (especially) the Indian subcontinent - but I've only met one person who expressed this view and voted Brexit accordingly.


This was reported on during and after the campaign, but Priti Patel was liaising with Asian voters on exactly this point.


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/minister-priti-patel-quit-eu-to-save-our-curry-houses-a3251071.html

Ms Patel, who announced a “Save the British Curry Day” to take place in June, was backed by Enam Ali MBE, the founder of the British Curry Awards and Spice Magazine, and Pasha Khandaker, the president of the Bangladesh Caterers Association.

Tory MP Paul Scully, chairman of the all-party parliamentary group for the British Curry Catering Industry, raised the issue in Parliament last year.

He added today: “It cannot be right that skilled Bangladeshi chefs should be penalised.”

gyac, Friday, 25 October 2019 10:17 (four years ago) link

Corbyn’s on This Morning right now with a very positive story about helping make a very expensive cystic fibrosis drug available to NHS patients; they’re bringing him back for election questions apres le break.

coup de twat (suzy), Friday, 25 October 2019 10:19 (four years ago) link

Sadness in Patel's smug smirking face as usual there.

JRM and others (usually the more Colonial Brexiters who do believe in Globalism as long as the UK is at the top or near-top of that tree, see also Hannan) also suggested that 'we simply replace EU fruit pickers with ones from further afield'. I'm paraphrasing but yes this is definitely what a majority of Leave voters would have no problem with for sure for sure.

nashwan, Friday, 25 October 2019 10:24 (four years ago) link

EU won't decide on an extension until after the GE vote on Monday which the opposition will reject until they know the timetable of the extension

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 25 October 2019 10:25 (four years ago) link

Oh ffs I have just seen that David “extraordinary rendition” Miliband gave a lecture, which is presumably the spur for the Corden fantasising, about liberal fucking values!

The liberal idea, with a small l, is that all human beings have rights, by virtue of their humanity, that need to be protected; that there must be defences against the abuse of power because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely; that with rights come responsibilities, that need to be exercised in ways large and small, to sustain a functioning society; and that while everyone is entitled to their own opinion, they are not entitled to their own facts, so political debate and decision-making should proceed in a deliberative form from those facts.



imagine you were working in Dave's office doing his tweets for him and having to resist the temptation to call this an 'extraordinary rendition' https://t.co/bMn7ygtwb2

— XR Phrenologists (@wariotifo) July 11, 2018

gyac, Friday, 25 October 2019 10:26 (four years ago) link

You, of course, have proof of this - Morrissey doesn't count.

:(

anvil, Friday, 25 October 2019 10:27 (four years ago) link

I see Banana Mili as such a colossal numpt that I thought Corden was posting with some rare good sarcasm there

calzino, Friday, 25 October 2019 10:29 (four years ago) link

pretty sure DMil extended the notion of "the liberal idea" there into standard centrist technocrat fantasyland and rmfe at any politician in 2019 doing the "power corrupts" bit

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 25 October 2019 10:29 (four years ago) link

looking forward to the government creating Oftruth, the regulatory body for facts

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 25 October 2019 10:32 (four years ago) link

Richard Madeley asked Corbyn how it would work having a chancellor who wants the downfall of capitalism in Downing St.

Just grand, Richard, lad, just grand.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 25 October 2019 10:39 (four years ago) link

pretty sure there's been loads of them already

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 25 October 2019 10:40 (four years ago) link

I was trying to make a slightly different point from the one I ended up making. I definitely don't want to let people off the hook for their own racism. I guess what I meant was surprise at the schism in individuals that mean they can be both very comfortable in multicultural communities (beyond 'having friends who are x,' I was trying to describe a much more enmeshed cultural milieu that stretches to certain cultural norms) and still maintain this distinct 'preserving England' intolerance without any seeming sense of dissonance between the two.

plax (ico), Friday, 25 October 2019 10:40 (four years ago) link

_Richard Madeley asked Corbyn how it would work having a chancellor who wants the downfall of capitalism in Downing St._


Just grand, Richard, lad, just grand.


Never forget!

is corbyn a marxist?https://t.co/PwoPmsAcl2 pic.twitter.com/Dygm9ZezwK

— acid womble (@acidwomble) February 20, 2019

gyac, Friday, 25 October 2019 10:47 (four years ago) link

pretty sure there's been loads of them already

Stafford Cripps, for sure.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 25 October 2019 10:53 (four years ago) link

when they sent him over to the Soviet Union it was thought they'd prefer to deal with a card carrying commie/lefty diplomat, but according to Maisky they hated dealing with lefty brits and would have preferred they sent a Tory.

calzino, Friday, 25 October 2019 10:59 (four years ago) link

it's perfectly possible to be pro immigration while also being anti fom from 27 other predominantly white countries.
xp

oscar bravo, Friday, 25 October 2019 11:00 (four years ago) link

xxp
I think by the time Cripps was in office during reconstruction he'd fallen out with communism.

calzino, Friday, 25 October 2019 11:01 (four years ago) link

He'd fallen out with Soviet communism. Though, of course, he was a religious nut, which didn't sit too well wiht being a Marxist.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 25 October 2019 11:09 (four years ago) link

I would definite say he was much more of a Marxist than John McDonnell, nonetheless!

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 25 October 2019 11:10 (four years ago) link

he was definitely an oddball, he believed in the absolute vitality of eating raw, uncooked vegetables

calzino, Friday, 25 October 2019 11:13 (four years ago) link

he was kicked out of Labour in the 30's for his devout Communism, so he's got McD licked there!

calzino, Friday, 25 October 2019 11:14 (four years ago) link

Cripps for sure but also part of my point was that there've been all kinds of right wing Chancellors who have wittingly or unwittingly contributed to policies likely to undermine (free market) capitalism in various ways

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 25 October 2019 11:23 (four years ago) link

but obv the media rarely get the vapours over that shit

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 25 October 2019 11:24 (four years ago) link

I suspected that's what you meant.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 25 October 2019 11:24 (four years ago) link

are Gideon and goth-disco Phil in that category?

calzino, Friday, 25 October 2019 11:34 (four years ago) link

Hammond seems too managerial and Gideon's austerity strengthened the system in the short term at least imo, Lamont might be a better recent example but it's a more complex argument than I could make right now, was more exercised by the simple stupidity of Madeley's question

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 25 October 2019 11:38 (four years ago) link

Simple stupidity is what Richard Madeley does.

Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 25 October 2019 11:43 (four years ago) link

i know it's been said a million times before but he really is the real-life alan partridge

genre: post-britpop (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 25 October 2019 11:46 (four years ago) link

feels like he's been there forever ffs

calzino, Friday, 25 October 2019 11:48 (four years ago) link

his eldritch powers of mediocrity allow him to exist outside our perception of spacetime iirc

genre: post-britpop (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 25 October 2019 11:50 (four years ago) link

otm. xxp remember him coming to the show dressed as ali g?

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 25 October 2019 11:53 (four years ago) link

i didn’t until you reminded me and now i’m reliving the horror all over again

genre: post-britpop (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 25 October 2019 12:05 (four years ago) link

https://youtu.be/03SiNNYJu3g Ali G too relevant these days

gyac, Friday, 25 October 2019 12:07 (four years ago) link

I can remember thinking actual murderous thoughts when just about every youngish person I worked with were doing hilarious Borat voices at work, and this period seemed to go on forever as well.

calzino, Friday, 25 October 2019 12:25 (four years ago) link

i feel u, i've often said the same thing to MYYYY WIIIIIIIIIFE

non-euclidean lenin (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 25 October 2019 12:27 (four years ago) link

labour absolutely destroyed by gideon, o fuck

Our ⁦@Adamstoon1⁩ ⁦@EveningStandard⁩ on the Labour family pic.twitter.com/ZALB07zYkG

— George Osborne (@George_Osborne) October 25, 2019

non-euclidean lenin (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 25 October 2019 12:58 (four years ago) link

not sure whoever drew that has ever seen the Addams Family

Xia Nu del Vague (Noodle Vague), Friday, 25 October 2019 13:00 (four years ago) link

Does Thing correspond to baggymp?

coup de twat (suzy), Friday, 25 October 2019 13:01 (four years ago) link

given that the addams family are indisputably the good guys and normal ones in their show, i expect they probably haven't xp

non-euclidean lenin (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 25 October 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link

at least they've captured Starmer's hair quite well

calzino, Friday, 25 October 2019 13:05 (four years ago) link

looks more like mitt romney tbh

non-euclidean lenin (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 25 October 2019 13:06 (four years ago) link

I feel like Gideon didn’t get the Addams family.

Message to Sajid Javid: Stop playing games putting our economy at risk. If you won’t bring a budget forward, move over and I will. Your irresponsible party political messing around will cost people their jobs. Grow up.

— John McDonnell MP (@johnmcdonnellMP) October 25, 2019



Love how obvious it is that Johnny Mc writes his own tweets.

gyac, Friday, 25 October 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link

lmao RIP shippers

This is great listening, some highlights:-

- Peter Oborne calling out Tim Shipman as "not just the sewer but the sewage"
- "Most of the political lobby allow themselves to be gamed... don't interrogate, question, just pass it on... they help the government set its own agenda" https://t.co/DqcvPpm8qp

— 🎃 The Spooky Leftorium 👻 (@LeftoriumThe) October 25, 2019

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 25 October 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link

I see bestpic.png has done a racism too

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 25 October 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link


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