Cromblyn himself is dying for an election but it’s the wider PLP who won’t support one.
― gyac, Thursday, 24 October 2019 19:56 (four years ago) link
trust his political instincts over theirs
― be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Thursday, 24 October 2019 19:58 (four years ago) link
If it was just a bunch of whingeing Corbyn-haters but I'd put money on McDonnell being against an early election.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 19:59 (four years ago) link
What we really need now...is a VONC(After extension confirmed ofc. And Christmas).https://soundcloud.com/user-604399650-995396746/vonc
― gyac, Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:01 (four years ago) link
John McDonnell says of December election: "Anything could happen. I've given up predicting to be honest. But I've ordered a winter coat."https://t.co/wmEK7nG2zY pic.twitter.com/UKWGvaPm8f— Mirror Politics (@MirrorPolitics) October 24, 2019
― gyac, Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link
lol I see the latest line being trotted out is that the government are...going on strike?!?
― gyac, Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:06 (four years ago) link
Postal votes being delayed as its in the middle of the Christmas post season + old people not heading out in the cold to vote / students being home and voting in their provincial towns rather than cities? Could actually work out for Labour in some ways tbh.
― help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:06 (four years ago) link
Older voters are much more likely to use postal votes. It’s why the government isn’t interested in cracking down on them, even though there’s much more evidence of postal vote fraud than in person...
My sense is Leader's Office and a fair bit of Shadow Cabinet want an election. Virtually all of the rest of the PLP doesn't.— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) October 24, 2019
― gyac, Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link
where is the beast from the east when you really need it?
― calzino, Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:10 (four years ago) link
the PLP are a bunch of stupid bastards so
― be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
My instinct is election good but I'm kind of muddled. If election is bad, then when is good?
― anvil, Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
Latest: Boris Johnson's Govt has threatened to go on strike if Labour refuses a Dec 12 election on Monday. PM’s spokesman said: “Nothing will come before Parliament but the bare minimum. We will pursue a general every day from then onwards, and do everything we can to get it”.— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) October 24, 2019
how is this any different to currently
― be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
When the Tories are less likely to cakewalk it.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link
just trying to make sense (badly) of the wider PLP strategy beyond the loads of them that would rather see a hard right Britannia Unchained gov for 5 years than a Corbyn one out of pure bitterness. Lol seeing as I've desperately been wanting another election since a couple of months after the last one and I'm not so sure now, but things have have got much more complicated and fuck knows tbh!
― Fizzles, Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:28 (four years ago) link
Just heard Crobyrn was a no-show at the Bristol rally tonight, glad I gave that a miss tbh
― help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl), Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link
too busy catching the 18:38 from st pancras to kirkwall iirc
― genre: post-britpop (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
Sure, I get this feeling, but when is that? I can see selling a short term strategic delay, but beyond that, I don't get it
― anvil, Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
The longer the clowns are left dangling on a string unable shit or get off the pot the better. I know zombies are popular but not when they're running the country.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:47 (four years ago) link
bbc brexitcast quite the insight
― conrad, Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link
― gyac, Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:55 (four years ago) link
I remain to be convinced how effective that will be or, for that matter, is at the moment.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 20:59 (four years ago) link
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― gyac, Thursday, 24 October 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
I do fear the longer Johnson gets to posture like this the better for him tbh, hope I'm wrong of course.
― nashwan, Thursday, 24 October 2019 21:17 (four years ago) link
Kate Andrews talking loads of shite again
― calzino, Thursday, 24 October 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link
"people in zero hours contracts are happy as pigs in shit" she says
― calzino, Thursday, 24 October 2019 22:16 (four years ago) link
BBC's new editorial guidelines on think tanks has predictably had zero impact. https://t.co/imWpdyS6cM— Tom Mills (@ta_mills) October 24, 2019
― calzino, Thursday, 24 October 2019 22:24 (four years ago) link
The BBC has altered its editorial guidelines after persistent calls for the organisation to improve transparency around the commentators to which it gives a platform.The broadcaster has now added “think tanks” to a list of groups that it says presenters and producers should “not automatically assume … are unbiased”. “Appropriate information about their affiliations, funding and particular viewpoints should be made available to the audience, when relevant to the context,” the guidelines say.
The broadcaster has now added “think tanks” to a list of groups that it says presenters and producers should “not automatically assume … are unbiased”. “Appropriate information about their affiliations, funding and particular viewpoints should be made available to the audience, when relevant to the context,” the guidelines say.
― calzino, Thursday, 24 October 2019 22:27 (four years ago) link
wow, you'd do that for us
― calzino, Thursday, 24 October 2019 22:29 (four years ago) link
And being applauded by the audience ... in South Shields.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 October 2019 22:29 (four years ago) link
'free-market' is a biased term ffs
― nashwan, Thursday, 24 October 2019 22:31 (four years ago) link
there's no such thing as a free market
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 October 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
/When the Tories are less likely to cakewalk it./Sure, I get this feeling, but when is that? I can see selling a short term strategic delay, but beyond that, I don't get it
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 24 October 2019 22:51 (four years ago) link
Kate Andrews probably thinks her cleaner is a real whistle-while-you-work sort, and doesn’t have any meaningful relationships with people who rely on ZHC.
― coup de twat (suzy), Thursday, 24 October 2019 23:10 (four years ago) link
"bbc brexitcast quite the insight"
the other day one of it's producers was crowing "it's the biggest podcast in the UK is this" quoting their own viewing(?) figures.
― calzino, Thursday, 24 October 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, October 24, 2019 3:29 PM (one hour ago)
here's the thing about that. you can interpret that as something spine-chilling - such a staunchly labour constituency, labour since the 30s, so safe that it was where david miliband was parachuted into etc. - and yet so gammony.
or it can just be the fucking fash at QT finding the local EDL lads and failed UKIP council candidates etc. to fill the audience.
or a bit of both i suppose
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 24 October 2019 23:57 (four years ago) link
ps colman's chippy in south shields is very good if you're in the area
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 24 October 2019 23:58 (four years ago) link
A lot of sus ‘Brexit Party/Tory pact’ people in the audience but it seemed like they came equipped to say that.
― coup de twat (suzy), Friday, 25 October 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
xpMy local chippy has an army trained master chef who was formerly the personal cook for a royal paedophile for years, but nobody will ever know how good his chips, collops, battered sausages, sweet bakery cakes etc are outside this shithole that is known as Thornhill (formerly Wakefield) Dewsbury. What a tragedy!
― calzino, Friday, 25 October 2019 00:12 (four years ago) link
(xp) Yes, I noticed that. Brexit Party nothing if not needy these days.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 25 October 2019 00:13 (four years ago) link
Jo Swindon's shower displaying their true colours.
https://nursingnotes.co.uk/mps-vote-protecting-nhs-privatisation/
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 25 October 2019 00:16 (four years ago) link
Anvil, you seem sure that Brexit isn't about immigration, and admittedly I only have anecdotal evidence to the contrary, but the only people I know who are pro-brexit are absolutely voting leave to stop immigration. I feel like I'm repeating myself here and tbh I am drunk af so probably am
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 25 October 2019 00:21 (four years ago) link
Can't for the life of me see how an election now could be a good idea for Labour. They'd get massacred. Either Johnson gets his brexit deal in the next few weeks (unlikely) and he can go to an election having achieved EU withdrawal against the odds. Or he's stymied (more likely) and he can go to an election saying he's tried absolutely everything, including actually getting a deal with the EU, and needs a clean-out of the augean stables of parliament to "get brexit done". Either way, he wins easily. Much better to let him twist in the wind. Labour may cop flak for "running scared", but that will be easily balanced by the sight of a govt utterly incapable of doing anything.
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 25 October 2019 00:23 (four years ago) link
(xp) We've had this discussion before and anvil has made the same claim before, so you might well be repeating yourself.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Friday, 25 October 2019 00:23 (four years ago) link
punchy antifa from the green brigade
Celtic FC v Lazio 24-10-19 pic.twitter.com/3iRh8NbBJL— ULTRAS (@fotos_ultras) October 24, 2019
― be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 25 October 2019 05:22 (four years ago) link
! That Mussolini banner
― gyac, Friday, 25 October 2019 05:27 (four years ago) link
srsly
hmmmm don’t know now - james usually pretty astute and not a wrecker
Unpopular opinion, but I would abstain on Monday and demand the PM to carry on with the WAB or resign and let Labour take over and form a govt.If he tables a one-line bill then I would amend it with a date in Spring 2020. It forces him into more extreme positions to get his GE.— James Mills (@JamesMills1984) October 24, 2019
― be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Friday, 25 October 2019 05:45 (four years ago) link
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 25 October 2019 01:21 (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
its a factor, for sure, and there are a myriad of different reasons (and for some that will be the number one reason. and there are 17M plus leave voters so finding people that immigration was the primary factor for isn't going to be difficult). I'd say a mixture of tabloid propaganda about "they want to straighten your bananas' and a sort of unfocussed feeling that 'clueless people far away are making decisions for us" is bigger
But even that is secondary, Brexit is largely existential and looking at it through a lens of tangibility is to miss a huge chunk of the picture. Same with many Remainers. Tangible arguments have gradually been put back in the drawer. Brexit is about the wrong people having a say over your lives and has been ever since Henry VIII first came up with the idea. Brexit is trust in the boss man, disdain for paper pushers (Remainers of course love stationery, meetings and managerialism. Power without God)
The managers came in and fucked us over worse than the owner ever did, and they don't even know what they're doing. At least you knew where you were when it was just us and the owner, and he was from round here too. Common sense.
People understand underlying truths, whether they can put it into words and explain it or not, and your pieces of paper and your studies and your economic assessments can do one. they know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Brexit doesn't need immigration to exist, it doesn't even need the EU to exist. It is the restoration of traditional hierarchy. Telling you what to do is the role of the big man, and all who attempt to take that role and go against the big men need to go. Its hating your manager. Its unconscious hatred of capitalism
― anvil, Friday, 25 October 2019 06:43 (four years ago) link
TLDR Brexit/Royalist Venn diagram
― anvil, Friday, 25 October 2019 06:50 (four years ago) link
Great post
― plax (ico), Friday, 25 October 2019 07:00 (four years ago) link
Anvil's post is very good and a seductive narrative but - as with most narratives - it's only part of the story.
Immigration is a big factor - it's not the main factor but a big deal all the same - and narratives like this, however well intentioned, serve to undermine the lived experience of immigrants and children of immigrants.
― Matt DC, Friday, 25 October 2019 07:39 (four years ago) link